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Junior football, what is the future?


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3 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

For the benefit of @Beenzon-Toste / Gordon Ronney, here's the rule preventing the WRJFA joining the pyramid without the agreement of the LL/EOS.

http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Lower-Pyramid-play-off-rules-version-1.1.pdf

 

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To quote him on this issue

NO IT IS NOT, complete fallacy.
 
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5 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Since we're dealing in facts 🤣🤣🤣

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They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings!

oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA.

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This isn't a mock up, is this real ?

Why don't they understand and get it through their nut, there is no salvation of any junior association or team if you move to the pyramid / seniors. you are no longer junior.
None of these people should be involved in the new league. its like opening a can of worms in like Hellraiser, the decaying worms keeps squishing out of the tin again and again.  I'm genuinely thinking what is going on in these peoples heads, they are just not thinking rationally 

 

 

G4mac said  "fear that junior clubs may well be adversely impacted on by the whole mess being created. " so true what was said

But if they do, they really are weak mined committees and I'm sure if the teams that follow the junior association will actually deserve to be where they are

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The Pyramid = Netlfix

The SJFA = Blockbuster

If they'd had any sense, they'd have come in early and still be relevant and thriving. As it is, events have passed them by and what we're hearing now is a death rattle.

jack nicholson deal with it GIF

 

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For the benefit of [mention=64045]Beenzon-Toste[/mention] / Gordon Ronney, here's the rule preventing the WRJFA joining the pyramid without the agreement of the LL/EOS.
http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Lower-Pyramid-play-off-rules-version-1.1.pdf
 
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Apparently he thinks the SFA can order this rather than through agreement. If that was the case, the WRJFA and ERJFA would be in the Pyramid right now.

Fact is, they can't. There is also the small problem that the SFA would need to drop the LL plan and back the WRJFA. That isn't going to happen.

Where's Bamford in all of this? Surely he's in an untenable position?
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8 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Apparently he thinks the SFA can order this rather than through agreement. If that was the case, the WRJFA and ERJFA would be in the Pyramid right now.

Fact is, they can't. There is also the small problem that the SFA would need to drop the LL plan and back the WRJFA. That isn't going to happen.
 

He doesn't believe the LL and EoS have a veto on this. He's been told it was something else prevented the West and East Juniors coming in last year. I would really like to see the Gospel of TJ

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Why would the "gospel answer" be something secret rather than something that could easily be explained in that tweet? Answer: because there is no "gospel answer" and this is just empty bluster. He almost certainly isn't deluded and is just flat out misleading people at this point to desperately try to keep his blazer.

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So, in summary:

- The West Region Juniors have every right to explore this option. The problem is that they've started the process too late in the day, having had the impetus taken away already.

- The WoSFL application process will be laid out by Friday. Expect an accompanying statement from the Lowland & EoS.

- I wouldn't be surprised to see the SFA release a statement/comment now, clarifying the current state of play.

- The only was for a West Junior side to guarantee joining the pyramid remains to apply to the WoSFL.

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The LL are supposed to let us know what happens next by March 6th.

The arguments being pushed by Gordon Ronney haven't moved on since this time last year:

He is still trying to push the idea that the letter from Ian Maxwell that Tom Johnston leaked meant it was a done deal.

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1 minute ago, marconi said:

the S F A  are the  people who run Scottish football and IF  they decide to go with the west region plan what can the  LL do about it

What happenned last year? that should be your clue as to the answer.

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9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The LL are supposed to let us know what happens next by March 6th.

The arguments being pushed by Gordon Ronney haven't moved on since this time last year:

He is still trying to push the idea that the letter from Ian Maxwell that Tom Johnston leaked meant it was a done deal.

Is this guy thick or just plain stupid. Is this guy actually in charge at kilbirnie?

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5 minutes ago, marconi said:

the S F A  are the  people who run Scottish football and IF  they decide to go with the west region plan what can the  LL do about it

"Done deal" wasn't so "done" other than the "all in" was done for.

The Promotion Play Off to LL has to be signed off by ALL entering leagues, LL and SFA. It cannot be imposed.

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1 minute ago, marconi said:

the S F A  are the  people who run Scottish football and IF  they decide to go with the west region plan what can the  LL do about it

The SFA do not run the leagues. Through the PWG all they did was facilitate all the groups meeting and try to work together. The SFA cannot force a change in the Lowland League pyramid system that does not have approval of the leagues already involved.

Here's TJ saying that the SJFA had agreed with the SFA the principle of them entering the pyramid at no lower than Tier 6 in April 2018.

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Which was followed up by a May 2018 PWG meeting where a straw poll was needed to even continue with that idea and beging working on it.

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1 hour ago, Burnie_man said:

Where's Bamford in all of this? Surely he's in an untenable position?

Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior.

Edit: f**k me he's lost the plot, now posting SFA AoA and Scottish Cup rules as if that gets the WRJFA access to the Lowland League!

 

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2 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior.

The current management committee of the West Region according the website.

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9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Bamford is SJFA Vice-President - if the WRJFA have either gone rogue or the SJFA have said "go your own way", I'm not sure if Bamford has done anything wrong? Though of course he'll need to resign at some point when Clydebank go senior.

Edit: f**k me he's lost the plot, now posting SFA AoA and Scottish Cup rules as if that gets the WRJFA access to the Lowland League!

 

If I was a kilbirnie fan I'd be asking him are for the club or your own job and the grade and should resign

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22 minutes ago, marconi said:

the S F A  are the  people who run Scottish football and IF  they decide to go with the west region plan what can the  LL do about it

The answer to your question has literally already been explained on this page. The SFA couldn't force this through because the EoS, LL and SoS also have to agree to any change that is made to the LL's playoff format. Some powers are delegated to the SFA board by its member clubs to run the game. The areas that covers are defined by the SFA constitution and changes to the pyramid format are not one of them.

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