Ginaro Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) @theesel1994 apart from the lack of floodlights, how much work would need to be done at Largs ground for licensing? Edited February 17, 2020 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, surely not! said: I get that. But would all Talbots games in a LL be at Beechwood? Or would 50% of them be away? Talbot beat the LL leaders in their own hoose at a canter this very season. Debate over. Move on please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Talbot beat the LL leaders in their own hoose at a canter this very season. Debate over. Move on please.You’ll have read me say that earlier though yeah? Try and keep up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Ginaro said: @theesel1994 apart from the lack of floodlights, how much other work would need to be done at Largs ground for licensing? The away changing room would need enlarged. A proper changing room for Refs and Assistants. Disabled access and area in the stand. I think the club were going to be doing things regards disabled access anyway. The same with the refs room. So they would be done even if the club remains in the Juniors. To be honest I think it would be quite far off for Licensing. I think all the other form filling stuff would need looked at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemon Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Okay here me out here for a second, Scotland benefits quite well in this because we a) have smaller league and b) regionalise very low down in our pyramid. For example 42 clubs play in Two Leagues in Portugal, but play in four in Scotland. England are the only country that could probably be regarded as better than Scotland and even then Kelty Hearts gave a very good account of themselves against Solihull Moors this season (both were top of Tier 5 at the time) The German sixth tier is down at the state or Laender level: It is the top level of the state leagues before promotion to the Oberligas. The current Tier 6 leaders in Berlin are Sparta Lichtenberg and play there games in what looks like a local council 3G https://www.sv-sparta.de/video/freistoss_johannisthal.mp4 Website here: http://www.sv-sparta.de/ The French sixth tier is down at the Province level and very little info can be found. One random team I found at that level was US Montagnarde of the Breton league. Looks like they get under 100 to there games In Spain there are 620 teams at tier 5, so the level at Tier 6 is going to be worse than Scotland. In Italy there are 866 teams in the 6th Tier, playing below a 5th tier of 464. I could go on. I think you're perhaps (inadvertently?) highlighting a major flaw with the league structure in Scotland. In football across Europe the pyramid is spread out at the base - regionalised much higher up the structure. So in Spain, as you point out, it is very broad at T5, whereas here it is still linear like a column - not strong. I think we have too many 'pro' clubs and at least one, maybe two leagues too many, and it should be regionalised at T4. In the context of European football, with the exception of our top 2 clubs (never mind the top 2 leagues even), our clubs are not competitive. And compared to other small (wealthy) countries our national team has massively underperformed - the last 20 years we have endured failure after failure after failure. And here we are still debating the demise of the Junior 'grade' of football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Che Dail said: And here we are still debating the demise of the Junior 'grade' of football. On a Junior Forum ... fancy that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: On a Junior Forum ... fancy that I'm pointing to the amount of time spent debating the subject rather than the location. Nearly 3 years old this forum Edited February 17, 2020 by Che Dail 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I'm pointing to the amount of time spent debating the subject rather than the location. Nearly 3 years old this forum [emoji85] It’s a fair point but the fact that the question hasn’t been resolved one way of another is a genuine shame for the game in Scotland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, surely not! said: You’ll have read me say that earlier though yeah? Try and keep up. I'm keeping up fine. You mentioned it fleetingly in a post about their record being poor against LL teams. Cumnock used to beat us too. Stay relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, surely not! said: It’s a fair point but the fact that the question hasn’t been resolved one way of another is a genuine shame for the game in Scotland Totally agree - although I'd be quite surprised if the question is still being asked this time next year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Che Dail said: I'm pointing to the amount of time spent debating the subject rather than the location. Nearly 3 years old this forum But its still a relevant and live topic albeit of limited interest away from those directly impacted tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFW Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Again ur record against east teams is in cup competitions. Linlithgow had a great record against east teams look where they are now. That's fine stay out the pyramid and Scottish cup then if you dont want to be it that's whole point of setting up the wosfl so you can stay junior or go I get it now, it's because we gubbed you in this season's Scottish...another East team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: But its still a relevant and live topic albeit of limited interest away from those directly impacted tbf Yes it is - just wish we'd reached the current position at least 2 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TheDemon said: So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. What would be the point of that? They are already at tier 6 or is the SofSl getting moved down a tier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I think it’s abit silly really to be comparing our league structure to that of others, if your not looking fully into the details then it’s very easy to draw up odd conclusions. One of the worst(and yet most common) is companion to England. You see people mentioning that clubs up here shouldn’t be playing nationally when England only has 3 times the clubs playing nationally despite being 10 times the population. But it completely ignores that the national league north has clubs of similar size to our league 2 playing over a larger area. You get similar mistakes comparing with Europe. Yes Spain regionalises very early, but those regions can be absolutely huge. You can look at Netherlands or Belgium but there strong politics in those countries, they aren’t creating perfect systems. You also can end up comparing with structures with vastly different histories. When large chunks of Europe have had national leagues for Half (or less) as long as us then it’s not a right to compare. Each nation can only create what’s right for themselves, as things stand we seem to be approaching the correct structure for tiers 1-6. we can argue over what happens if as expected the lowland region gains a lot of licensed clubs and this results in a significant disparity with the HL. Should it split? should it get some form of weighting to increase the likelihood of promotion? Let’s discuss. theres absolutely no debate over scrapping the national status of full time clubs like rovers/Falkirk/Airdrie, none. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, parsforlife said: I think it’s abit silly really to be comparing our league structure to that of others. theres absolutely no debate over scrapping the national status of full time clubs like rovers/Falkirk/Airdrie, none. You have to look at what other countries do successfully and try to learn from it - league structure is just one example. If we had a 12 team top league and 14 or 16 1st division perhaps those clubs you mention would still be in it... the rest below them though in L1 and L2, in the grand scheme of things... really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, TheDemon said: So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. How seriously should we take that rumour? If true, and they were to leave, it would leave the SOS pretty short. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, TheDemon said: So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. I am a bit confused, and that doesn't happen a lot, honest Why would any team want to leave a tier 6 league to join another tier 6 league when allegedly the one they are in is viewed as a weaker league. meaning if they want to progress then they have a great chance at the league they are in than joining what most people expect to be a stronger league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: I am a bit confused, and that doesn't happen a lot, honest Why would any team want to leave a tier 6 league to join another tier 6 league when allegedly the one they are in is viewed as a weaker league. meaning if they want to progress then they have a great chance at the league they are in than joining what most people expect to be a stronger league. Maybe they think they're not going to go up to Lowland League anyway and looking at the clubs that could be in WoSL they think there might be better crowds? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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