Aqy Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 12:54, AsimButtHitsASix said: I created this and posted it on the Coronavirus and the Scottish Championship thread but some here might want a look at it. Presuming the season is abandoned I decided to do 16 conferences of 17 in the Scottish league so we can start afresh like the East of Scotland did. Here’s how it turned out if we took it by current league position Reveal hidden contents Celtic Stranraer Cove Rangers Gala Fairydean Huntly Dunbar United Wigtown & Bladnoch Invergordon Kilwinning Rangers Tayport Bathgate Thistle Burghead Thistle Cumbernauld United Forfar Albion Linlithgow Rose Community Muirkirk Juniors Maybole Juniors Rangers Forfar Athletic Edinburgh City Deveronvale Berwick Rangers Upper Annandale Crossgates Primrose Craigroyston Carnoustie Panmure Beith Juniors Montrose Roselea Aberdeen University JFC Blairgowrie Juniors Whitletts Victoria Buchanhaven Hearts Yoker Athletic Johnstone Burgh Motherwell Peterhead Elgin City University of Stirling Strathspey Thistle Linlithgow Rose Lochmaben Arniston Rangers Livingston United Inverness Bunillidh Forres Thistle Newburgh Glentanar J.F.C. Whitehills J.F.C. Vale of Leven Ashfield Aberdeen Clyde Cowdenbeath Wick Academy Gretna 2008 Lochar Thistle Sauchie Juniors Peebles Rovers Banks O'Dee Bridge of Don Thistle Kilbirnie Ladeside Sunnybank Stonehaven Buckie Rovers Kilsyth Rangers Royal Albert Thorniewood United Livingston Dumbarton Queen's Park Cumbernauld Colts Turriff United Jeanfield Swifts Creetown Easthouses Lily MW Thurso Fauldhouse United Kirriemuir Thistle Rosyth Newmachar United JFC Syngenta Bo'ness United Junior East Kilbride Thistle Forth Wanderers Hibernian East Fife Stirling Albion Keith Edinburgh University St Cuthbert Wanderers Blackburn United Ormiston Pollok Luncarty Harthill Royal Dundee East Craigie Blantyre Victoria Coupar Angus Dalry Thistle Wishaw Juniors Annbank United St Johnstone Montrose Annan Athletic Caledonian Braves Clachnacuddin Musselburgh Athletic Whitehill Welfare Hawick Royal Albert United Broughty Athletic Glenafton Athletic Deveronside Darvel Juniors Dundee Violet Neilston Juniors West Calder United Kello Rovers Vale of Clyde Kilmarnock Airdrieonians Stenhousemuir Nairn County Dalbeattie Star Heston Rovers Newtongrange Star Burntisland Shipyard Pumpherston Halkirk Utd Bonar Bridge Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Stoneyburn Cruden Bay Gartcairn Maryhill St. Anthony's St Mirren Falkirk Albion Rovers East Kilbride Lossiemouth Penicuik Athletic Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale Tweedmouth Rangers Culter Dyce Scone Thistle Rutherglen Glencairn Fraserburgh United Dufftown J.F.C. Petershill Girvan Saltcoats Victoria Ross County Raith Rovers Brechin City Forres Mechanics Vale of Leithen Nithsdale Wanderers Tynecastle Oakley United Golspie Armadale Thistle Kennoway Star Hearts Maud Islavale Sauchie Juniors Community St. Roch's Bellshill Athletic Newmains United Hamilton Academical Partick Thistle Brora Rangers Civil Service Strollers Fort William Dundonald Bluebell Leith Athletic Coldstream Auchinleck Talbot Dundee North End Aberdeen East End Benburb Renfrew Lochee Harp Cambuslang Rangers Larkhall Thistle Lugar Boswell Thistle Heart of Midlothian Queen of the South Kelty Hearts Formartine United Bo'ness United Newton Stewart Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts St Andrews United Lochee United Clydebank Rossvale Ellon United Arbroath Victoria Arthurlie Craigmark Burntonians Glasgow Perthshire Ardeer Thistle Dundee United Alloa Athletic Inverurie Loco Works The Spartans Threave Rovers Camelon Juniors Dunipace Dalkeith Thistle Whitburn Juniors Orkney Forfar West End Troon Kirkcaldy & Dysart Spey Valley United Irvine Victoria Carluke Rovers Glasgow Uni Inverness Caledonian Thistle Greenock Morton Bonnyrigg Rose Buckie Thistle Broxburn Athletic Mid Annandale Glenrothes Kinnoull FC Hermes Nairn St. Ninian Lochore Welfare Hall Russell United Longside Stoneywood-Parkvale Ardrossan Winton Rovers Greenock Juniors Drumchapel PYM Dundee Arbroath Fraserburgh BSC Glasgow Abbey Vale Tranent Juniors Heriot Watt University Preston Athletic St. Duthus Thornton Hibs Colony Park JFC Hurlford United New Elgin Lochgelly Albert Lanark United Lesmahagow Juniors Oban Saints Ayr United Dunfermline East Stirlingshire Rothes Hill of Beath Hawthorn Bonnyton Thistle Edinburgh United Haddington Athletic Irvine Meadow XI Dundee Downfield Largs Thistle Banchory St. Ternan Shotts Bon Accord Brechin Victoria Shettleston Port Glasgow Juniors Strathclyde Uni I presumed Glasgow Uni are applying to the WoS and added in Oban and Strath Uni to make it an even amount but you get the jist Might need to re-think those, you could end up with a Russia vs. Ukraine scenario with County and Golspie in the same conference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Assuming the season can start at a reasonable time. Are there other concerns over 4x 17 team Conferences?. The EoS First Division Conferences were looking to do the same this season and there's probably the same sort of spread of floodlights. Of course the First Division would of finished after the LL playoffs giving them the extra couple of weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotina Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 maybe start a new cup or conjoin the old ones ie The Scottish Pyramid Cup sponsors Scotmid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I don't think joining up the SCC and Junior Cup makes sense. One's national and one's regional. Either you exclude the North teams, in which case it just is the SCC Or you include everyone in the non-league game which means it either wouldn't be ran by the SJFA or SJFA membership wouldn't be a requirement to enter. At which point... why have the SJFA at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 For the first year, so there is no uncertainty over dates, why not make it that teams can choose to either play in the Junior Cup OR the South Challenge Cup? Then play both comps on the same dates.No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I don't think joining up the SCC and Junior Cup makes sense. One's national and one's regional. Either you exclude the North teams, in which case it just is the SCC Or you include everyone in the non-league game which means it either wouldn't be ran by the SJFA or SJFA membership wouldn't be a requirement to enter. At which point... why have the SJFA at all? SCC is only regional because the North gave up their cup (both are legacies of the Qualifying Cups and replaced them). If the SCC and SJC were merged, the only teams sitting out would be 17 HFL sides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 12:17, Marshmallo said: Merge the South and West structures and let teams find their level within that. If they want to have a regional South league which covers a far smaller percentage of the population then that's fine. It shouldn't be at tier 6 though. That’s your opinion and clearly appears irrelevant to the vast majority of other users but hey that’s what it’s all about - your voice , your choice , your opinions that you’re untitled to as is everyone else 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 13:26, San Starko Rover said: I'd like to have seen the entire SOSFL apply for the confrence season of the WOSFL and the LL pyramid would be sorted within 1 season. Keeping the SOSFL at tier 6 makes no sense if their teams aren't strong enough to compete with the East and West champions, the SOSFL and WOSFL should be one league with the East v West playoff to go up, hopefully in the future it'll be both promoted. They can't have the argument the SOSFL has existed for X number of years so should just remain at tier 6 permanently when the WRJFA and ERJFA have ripped their leagues up to get the WOS and EOS sorted. Any ambitious SOSFL team should be joining the WOSFL as playing in a better league will help to improve them. So you’re effectively saying they don’t deserve their current status , you firmly believe they are too weak to compete but you’re advocating they all jump into the WOSFL en masse and are in all probability comprehensively beaten on a regular basis by the better Junior sides ? Good thinking Batman and you’ll also expect everyone currently in the Senior ranks to just simply accept this point of view and be happy to do so now the Junior Clubs have at long last embraced the Pyramid ! I firmly believe this will happen and possibly sooner rather than later but to be told that’s the way it should in the blink of an eye isn't too appealing and you honestly think a long trip to the Glasgow area to take on one of the less famous names on a bleak Winters night is an appealingly carrot for those perhaps not fancying almost 200 mile round trips anytime let alone potentially on a Wednesday ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 SCC is only regional because the North gave up their cup (both are legacies of the Qualifying Cups and replaced them). If the SCC and SJC were merged, the only teams sitting out would be 17 HFL sides.Yes but why have a pyramid cup that includes clubs who dont want anything to do with the pyramid? (Those who remain in the sjfa)The very fact we are still debating the Junior Cup (Run by an association who wants nothing to do with the pyramid other than on their terms) frustrates me slightly.If clubs join the pyramid they should play in the compulsory cups for the pyramid. Clubs will have to make a choice about losing the crutch relating to sjfa membership at some point, the junior Cup is already 3rd in the queue for fixtures, it may slide further down that list as time goes by.If its an all in cup, surely that should be an all in pyramid teams only cup, for example teams from HL, eos, wos and sos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Yes but why have a pyramid cup that includes clubs who dont want anything to do with the pyramid? (Those who remain in the sjfa)The very fact we are still debating the Junior Cup (Run by an association who wants nothing to do with the pyramid other than on their terms) frustrates me slightly.If clubs join the pyramid they should play in the compulsory cups for the pyramid. Clubs will have to make a choice about losing the crutch relating to sjfa membership at some point, the junior Cup is already 3rd in the queue for fixtures, it may slide further down that list as time goes by.If its an all in cup, surely that should be an all in pyramid teams only cup, for example teams from HL, eos, wos and sos?Yep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 15:14, San Starko Rover said: How does the SOS teams being part of the WOS provide a glass ceiling? They are in the South West of Scotland, if they covered the SOS they would include the East border teams, in reality they are a D&G league and they're not at tier 6 on merit they're at tier 6 because they bought in early to the pyramid. How many SOS teams are in the LL I count two one of which is based in Motherwell and I doubt will want to play in D&G league once the WOS is established if they're relegated. By all means leave them where they are but what scored do you think we'll see when Bo'ness and Talbot play the SOS champions, what was Kelty's score 7-0 & 4-0 What difference do you actually think the Tier level makes to anything realistically ? You don’t receive a bye in the Scottish Cup if you’re Licensed because your at Tier 6 , you don’t get any difference in SFA money so what is your issue here with the South ? Spell it out loud and clear so we all know what your problem with us is ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Yorker not applied yet? That seems mental as the Bankies will be gunning for SPFL football again so the ground getting licensed is a certainty. Be a very strange choice to remain outside the pyramid while playing at a fully licensed stadium. I’d have expected them to announce right after Clydebank especially as the WRJFA we’re pushing teams that way so no conflict of interest in going against their traditional Juniors history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Yorker not applied yet? That seems mental as the Bankies will be gunning for SPFL football again so the ground getting licensed is a certainty. Be a very strange choice to remain outside the pyramid while playing at a fully licensed stadium. I’d have expected them to announce right after Clydebank especially as the WRJFA we’re pushing teams that way so no conflict of interest in going against their traditional Juniors history. I think B’man suggested earlier that all 63 WRJFA have applied. He’s usually a pretty reliable source of information on these matters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Yorker not applied yet? That seems mental as the Bankies will be gunning for SPFL football again so the ground getting licensed is a certainty. Be a very strange choice to remain outside the pyramid while playing at a fully licensed stadium. I’d have expected them to announce right after Clydebank especially as the WRJFA we’re pushing teams that way so no conflict of interest in going against their traditional Juniors history. Yoker Athletic are to announce their decision this week, according to an earlier post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Yorker not applied yet? That seems mental as the Bankies will be gunning for SPFL football again so the ground getting licensed is a certainty. Be a very strange choice to remain outside the pyramid while playing at a fully licensed stadium. I’d have expected them to announce right after Clydebank especially as the WRJFA we’re pushing teams that way so no conflict of interest in going against their traditional Juniors history. I thought all 63 had applied? And to be pedantic, clubs are licensed, grounds aren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Yoker Athletic are to announce their decision this week, according to an earlier post.The deadline is tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Yorker not applied yet? That seems mental as the Bankies will be gunning for SPFL football again so the ground getting licensed is a certainty. Be a very strange choice to remain outside the pyramid while playing at a fully licensed stadium. I’d have expected them to announce right after Clydebank especially as the WRJFA we’re pushing teams that way so no conflict of interest in going against their traditional Juniors history. There is more to club licencing than just stadium facilities. It is not the ground which gets a licence, it is the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 5 hours ago, parsforlife said: There’s space for junior cup games to be scheduled for Saturday’s initially. The issue kicks in when postponements come. The league fixtures the following weekend will not be postponed to allow a 2nd attempt. It can get rescheduled for the next ‘free’ weekend but these can be months apart and if you’ve had a league or SCC game postponed then they’ll be rescheduled in those free weekends first. I find it very difficult in that scenario where junior cup games don’t end up being midweek. Which either means looking for alternative venues or having early evening kick offs in late season. Aberdeenshire clubs going to Ayrshire for 6pm kick off, it’s a nightmare Correct, postponements will be the issue. However a number of clubs will be out of the SCC by the time Junior Cup games are likely to get postponed - since the SCC will have an extra round - so gaps will open up. There will be undoubtedly still be problems though, especially for the successful clubs fighting on all fronts. 5 hours ago, glensmad said: Who at the SJFA is going to be in discussions with the LL-WoSFL regarding fixture dates for the Scottish Junior Cup ? Presumably that will be the SJFA Secretary's job ? How this will work could depend on how good a relationship there is between whoever it is who negotiates the Scottish Junior Cup dates. Not sure how much negotiating would be going on, presumably the SJFA will be told "Here's the SCC and WOS derby dates (international weekends, new year etc.)" and asked "Now where do you want to put your four dates?". 4 hours ago, G4Mac said: Yes, also meaning that the wos would not leave spare weekends to accommodate the junior cup. You can spin it both ways if you like but generally a statement which says scc and league fixtures take priority means they arent going to leave free weekends to accommodate another associations cup games. Unless I'm missing something, it would be impossible not to leave spare weekends given there's only 30 league games + 5 SCC + 1 WOS cup taking place in a 42+ matchday calendar. You're essentially copy and pasting the EOS Premier format, but removing the exclusive Scottish Cup and EOS qualifying cup dates from the calendar, leaving enough space for the Junior Cup. Once clubs are out of the SCC that will also provide more dates. 4 hours ago, G4Mac said: 5 hours ago, glensmad said: Who at the SJFA is going to be in discussions with the LL-WoSFL regarding fixture dates for the Scottish Junior Cup ? Presumably that will be the SJFA Secretary's job ? How this will work could depend on how good a relationship there is between whoever it is who negotiates the Scottish Junior Cup dates. Are the LL/wos really going to take the time to impact on their associations fixtures to accommodate the junior cup, a completely separate associations flagship cup? Whilst the LL are the most approachable people surely their flexibility has a stopping point. The qualifying cup is the EOSFA's flagship cup and it has two exclusive dates - of course that's easier to organise with the LL/EOS fixture secretary being the same person, but the LL already does this. If most of the WOS clubs are SJFA members they will presumably make sure the initial fixtures include the Junior Cup. 4 minutes ago, AML67 said: you honestly think a long trip to the Glasgow area to take on one of the less famous names on a bleak Winters night is an appealingly carrot for those perhaps not fancying almost 200 mile round trips anytime let alone potentially on a Wednesday ? Is this the SOS version of the Tuesday night in Elgin trope? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, glensmad said: 22 minutes ago, Dev said: Yoker Athletic are to announce their decision this week, according to an earlier post. The deadline is tomorrow. Making the decision and announcing it are two different things - they may well have made it already but have not yet announced it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Making the decision and announcing it are two different things - they may well have made it already but have not yet announced it.They might find the announcement is made for them if they don't say anything before tomorrow night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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