welshbairn Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, hk blues said: It's crystal clear. albeit wrong. Qualifiers are there for a reason - to change the meaning. It's basic level English. GD is right though - this topic is murder! I'm out A black sheep is a sheep, a white sheep is a sheep. A black sheep is not a white sheep, although there may be grey sheep. Here endeth the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A black sheep is a sheep, a white sheep is a sheep. A black sheep is not a white sheep, although there may be grey sheep. Here endeth the lesson. brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, hk blues said: It's crystal clear. albeit wrong. Qualifiers are there for a reason - to change the meaning. It's basic level English. GD is right though - this topic is murder! I'm out It's not a qualifier it is an adjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Might as well listen to a good tune if you're going to read through all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: It's not a qualifier it is an adjective. It's great that hk blues has greenied this post, as if it somehow backs up his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Best thing about this thread has been the constant references to The Running Man Who would P&B nominate for the inaugural season, and how long would they last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bono.Hopefully not very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Boris Johnson the fat sweaty f**k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The other thing with an innocent person being in jail rather than dead is that they are still in a position to appeal their conviction because they're still... you know... alive to do so. Enlightening train of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 If 'lawful killing' isn't killing, why then is the word 'killing' in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 How many times does he have to explain it? "Lawful" is a qualifier which means the word afterwards doesn't really count, for some reason."Killing" = bad stuff with blood and mess everywhere."Lawful killing" = banter/horseplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainMorton Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 11/01/2018 at 15:23, Richey Edwards said: No. The whole point of the prison system is no longer simply the removal of offenders from mainstream society. The emphasis is now on the rehabilitation of offenders with a humanistic approach which recognises that human beings have the capacity to see the error of their ways and be reformed. How can offenders be rehabilitated if they are dead? People have also been tried and executed in the past and later found to have been innocent all along. Why reintroduce such a flawed system of punishment when the potential consequences of "getting it wrong" are catastrophic and cannot be undone? People who want the death penalty re-instated are invariably dribbling morons and Ones For The Watching. Haven’t read the whole thread so not sure if this has been brought up. Say someone murdered your parent/wife/partner/child, would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated and maybe have the chance to live a proper life again, something that the person you love can’t do because of this person? I’m not sure I could live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, IainMorton said: Haven’t read the whole thread so not sure if this has been brought up. Say someone murdered your parent/wife/partner/child, would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated and maybe have the chance to live a proper life again, something that the person you love can’t do because of this person? I’m not sure I could live with that. So you'd be happy for someone to be given the chance for rehabilitation if it didn't involve your own family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, IainMorton said: It would be someone else’s family though. What about the family of the person put to death? His/Her kids, husband/wife, mother...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Completely against the death penalty, but for crimes of heinous and deliberate cruelty (that attract a life sentence on conviction) I would make incarceration as miserable as possible, with meagre comfort, provisions and ‘privileges’. If an offender was determined to repent and pay their penance they would see it through. We can then (and only then) talk about the possibilities of rehabilitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, IainMorton said: Haven’t read the whole thread so not sure if this has been brought up. Say someone murdered your parent/wife/partner/child, would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated and maybe have the chance to live a proper life again, something that the person you love can’t do because of this person? I’m not sure I could live with that. I like to think that I would but at the same time I wouldn't want to live in a society where revenge was what motivated seeking justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 If I was murdered I wouldn't want my family to be eaten away by hatred and thoughts of vengeance. 20 years of breaking rocks would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, IainMorton said: Haven’t read the whole thread so not sure if this has been brought up. Say someone murdered your parent/wife/partner/child, would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated and maybe have the chance to live a proper life again, something that the person you love can’t do because of this person? I’m not sure I could live with that. If someone has committed murder then killing them as well solves nothing. The idea of doing the same thing back to someone who has wronged you for "revenge" leaves most sensible people at some point during childhood. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to have grown up without ever reaching and passing through that particular stage of emotional and cognitive development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, IainMorton said: Haven’t read the whole thread so not sure if this has been brought up. Say someone murdered your parent/wife/partner/child, would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated and maybe have the chance to live a proper life again, something that the person you love can’t do because of this person? I’m not sure I could live with that. We have a Justice system so that such decisions are not taken by people involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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