tamthebam Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Nowhereman said: I have a medal which is similar to that. Was won by my great great uncle Dickie Boyle. Played for Dumbarton, Everton and Dundee in late 1890s/early 1900s. I’ve never been able to identify the medal and if anyone has any idea what it is I’d be grateful for any comments It would appear to be St Andrew in the middle although that symbol is a generic Scottish one so perhaps not so helpful! It does seem a bit similar to the Royal Scots Regimental badge though: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Coronet at top signifies a local authority arms IIRC but it doesn't seem to be those of Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Dundee, Forfarshire etc.*; indeed it looks quite generic. If uninscribed maybe some "badge competition" (i.e. 'friendly tournament')/5-aside contest/etc. *that said: Dumbarton also won the important Scottish League Charity Cup in 1890-91, and the Greenock Charity Cup in 1889-90 and 1890-91, during period your ancestor was playing there - while Dundee won Dewar Shield (the Cup-Winners' Cup of Aberdeenshire, Forfarshire, Perthshire & Stirlingshire) in 1902-03 and 1904-05 Yeah I’ve looked up all the possibilities. He played for Dumbarton Episcopalians before Dumbarton so could be that. But it is gold Has his name inscribed on the back as well as a hallmark. But maybe you got a gold medal for minor tournaments back then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) On 04/12/2023 at 23:21, HibeeJibee said: 4th December 1908: Saturday 5th December 1908 (Division One) St Mirren 3-2 Partick Thistle 2,000 (Division Two) Abercorn P-P Ayr Parkhouse waterlogged pitch Friday 11th December 1908: Just catching up on the thread, this was an interesting read, and clearly caused a stir at the time given the amount of column inches dedicated to it. Of course the real Paisley scandal was the winding up of Abercorn in 1920. Their demise interests me as they would've now been my local club, although our house wasn't built until a couple of years after Abercorn died. This was the latest photo of the team I could find, taken after their Scottish Qualifying Cup success of 1913. Presumably they are seated in front of the pavillion at their final home New Ralston Park, a 7000 capacity ground in the east end of the town. After football, the site was used for Paisley Ice Rink, believed to be the most impressive indoor arena in the UK when it opened in 1940, hosting many concerts and a visit from a certain young boxer in 1965. The ice rink was itself demolished in the 1970s and the site is now home to Tesco. Edited January 10 by Lurkst 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 08/01/2024 at 22:45, bluearmyfaction said: Meanwhile, I found this quite interesting, from a sociologial perspective. Dumfries & Galloway Standard, 1 September 1897: The two MPs named were both Conservative, and Lord Herries was the Lord-Lieutenant of Kirkcudbrightshire at the time. I can see that the Tories would be smiling on plans to keep the plebs occupied of a Saturday, but such a set of aristocratic backing for an Irish-origin club is a bit surprising; maybe the Irish in Dumfries were Unionists? Or, given there was also a Gladstonians FC who had only recently tapped out, it was a cunning attempt to squish Liberalism? Maxwelltown Volunteers would soon start up as a replacement for the 5th KRV. This is interesting. I've never heard of a Dumfries Hibs. It wasn't one of the clubs that later merged to form Queens, so I'm guessing they were pretty short lived. I don't think there was a huge local population of Irish descent either, so it comes as a surprise that such a club was established. I'm keen to learn more about this from anyone with knowledge of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 32 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: This is interesting. I've never heard of a Dumfries Hibs. It wasn't one of the clubs that later merged to form Queens, so I'm guessing they were pretty short lived. I don't think there was a huge local population of Irish descent either, so it comes as a surprise that such a club was established. I'm keen to learn more about this from anyone with knowledge of it. Dumfries Hibernian (1897-1901), short lived that they were, also ran a reserve side, and a third XI, Dumfries Hibernian Cartsdyke XI. They played at Castledykes Park (1897-1899) then Eastfield Park (1899-1901). They used green jerseys and white shorts, as had the previous Dumfries Harp (1889-1891), stationed at Kingholm The Dumfries Harp name was revived in 1913, but the Great War helped their demise in 1915. Dumfries Hibernian and Dumfries Harp were senior sides. I'm unsure if there's much in the demography which led to the structure of players at those clubs, as throughout Scotland many clubs briefly flourished with Irish sections to their names, some formed by Irish immigrants, others with only tenuous connections to 'Hibernia'. It's perhaps more likely that descendents of RC immigrants had an influence on the origins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sergeant Wilson Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said: Hopefully on it's way to shite on it. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I was at a QP/Sons league match when 3/4 if the current seating was in, the East Stand was still getting fitted out (1999 or 2000 then, probs? Back when QP still had a fan that took a trombone to games.). QP fans in main stand, Sons in North. Looked even less than above attendance. Got parked on the street right outside the North right enough, so every cloud and all that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 10/01/2024 at 01:50, Lurkst said: Of course the real Paisley scandal was the winding up of Abercorn in 1920. Their demise interests me as they would've now been my local club, although our house wasn't built until a couple of years after Abercorn died The formation of football leagues is generally seen as a positive step, but that's because we are looking back with our own teams' existence in some way depending on them. They actually had a decimating effect, the vast majority of teams being driven out of business as a result. The Football League was the Eurosuperleague of its day - clubs had got themselves so many professionals that they needed a constant run of fixtures to generate the money to pay them, and the initial 12 were not chosen on ability, but as a town franchise to maximise gates. (Also to park tanks on rugby's lawn - Liverpool was a rugby town so recruiting Everton, whose record before 1888 was lamentable, was an aggressive move. The League would then do the same in Manchester, which is why neither has ever had a top rugby league club; contrast Leeds and Hull, where the League was too late.) It led to a few sliding doors moments. I don't know what happened in Paisley in 1892, but St Mirren went from behind to ahead of Abercorn, and that proved decisive; St Mirren having twice sought re-election back to the first division, both times successfully, but Abercorn lost the first time of asking. Abercorn never recovered. The Shire were bigger than Falkirk and got to the league first - but I suppose town loyalty to the name rather than county won out as soon as Falkirk made it into the league. And Wishaw Thistle were one vote away from the league in 1896. Had they beaten Linthouse on the re-vote - and Linthouse was a quixotic windmill-tilter; MASSIVELY optimistic that they could ever flourish when Rangers was next door - then, given Motherwell struggled throughout the decade, , it's possible that Wishaw would have nudged Motherwell into oblivion. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wright scores Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 10/01/2024 at 01:50, Lurkst said: Just catching up on the thread, this was an interesting read, and clearly caused a stir at the time given the amount of column inches dedicated to it. Of course the real Paisley scandal was the winding up of Abercorn in 1920. Their demise interests me as they would've now been my local club, although our house wasn't built until a couple of years after Abercorn died. This was the latest photo of the team I could find, taken after their Scottish Qualifying Cup success of 1913. Presumably they are seated in front of the pavillion at their final home New Ralston Park, a 7000 capacity ground in the east end of the town. After football, the site was used for Paisley Ice Rink, believed to be the most impressive indoor arena in the UK when it opened in 1940, hosting many concerts and a visit from a certain young boxer in 1965. The ice rink was itself demolished in the 1970s and the site is now home to Tesco. Living quite close by and going to a school very close to these parks I find this very interesting, I did know about Cassius Clay though as it is well known in the Paisley area for people of my age/generation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, paul wright scores said: Living quite close by and going to a school very close to these parks I find this very interesting, I did know about Cassius Clay though as it is well known in the Paisley area for people of my age/generation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 cracking amount of detail and photos at this link regarding Abercorn FC: https://cairterscorner.com/the-natural-order/abercornfc-the-death-of-a-paisley-football-club/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 13 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Hopefully on it's way to shite on it. Save some of that succulent jobby for Celtic Park my feathered friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Buchan......Dalglish......YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Jock Poopong McPlop Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, kennie makevin said: 20 hours ago, Molotov said: cracking amount of detail and photos at this link regarding Abercorn FC: https://cairterscorner.com/the-natural-order/abercornfc-the-death-of-a-paisley-football-club/ At the start of the season, Aberdeen are always shown as being top of the league because of the alphabet It would have been nice to have seen Abercorn sorting them out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA45 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 07/01/2024 at 21:54, HibeeJibee said: 1984 SF draw: Not often you get Donnie Dougelly, Andy Cameron, Archie Macpherson, Tosh McKinlay and the Tennents lager lovelies in one programme - TV gold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 11/01/2024 at 22:22, paul wright scores said: I did know about Cassius Clay though as it is well known in the Paisley area for people of my age/generation. On 11/01/2024 at 22:28, Molotov said: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tamthebam Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I doubt this will be matched in Scottish football, at least not for a while. Crawford Allan was refereeing one of his last matches, a BSC Lowland League game at Recreation Park. One of the assistant referees that day was his daughter, Vicki. As far as I know the other assistant wasn't a relation! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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