Rodhull Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Ah soulless the catch all phrase for someone determined not to like something but with no practical experience to build an actual point on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I went to Gent's ground a year or two ago. It's hardly earth-shattering but it does the job. It's also within walking distance of the city centre, the station and pubs. Kingsford, not so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 31/05/2019 at 15:35, jamamafegan said: Why would that win you over?! It’s fucking dreadful! It’s nothing but a soulless bowl - why fans are trying to dress this up as some fantastic arena is beyond me. On 31/05/2019 at 17:17, Rodhull said: Ah soulless the catch all phrase for someone determined not to like something but with no practical experience to build an actual point on. Exactly. People say "soulless" without really knowing what they mean by it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 30/05/2019 at 16:11, Enrico Pallazzo said: KAA Gent Stadium Tour If (as the P&J article above suggests) this was the template for Kingsford, it might just win me over... Thats broadly similar (and same colour) as the Molde one we were in last summer. Outside you walked up stairs and then entered kinda in the middle between upper and lower decks. I thought it looked shite outside but inside in a weird way felt larger than its 11500 stated capacity. Not sure if Aberdeen intending this, but they also had those rail seats making a "safe standing" area for us - although they werent very safe to stand on with wet feet when pished.................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 31/05/2019 at 17:44, Tibbermoresaint said: It's also within walking distance of the city centre, the station and pubs. Kingsford, not so much. You can clearly see the city in the above pic. Define walking distance... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Coventry City still having problems with the Ricoh Arena, which has been labelled a disastrous move to a soulless out of town bowl. They're looking to groundshare with Birmingham now. Distance from centre of Coventry - 6 miles. Bolton in the financial mire too - distance from centre of Bolton to Macron Arena (Horwich) - 5.3 miles Distance from Aberdeen City Centre to Kingsford labelled by the club as 'only 5.9 miles'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonHMFC Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Coventry City still having problems with the Ricoh Arena, which has been labelled a disastrous move to a soulless out of town bowl. They're looking to groundshare with Birmingham now. Distance from centre of Coventry - 6 miles. Bolton in the financial mire too - distance from centre of Bolton to Macron Arena (Horwich) - 5.3 miles Distance from Aberdeen City Centre to Kingsford labelled by the club as 'only 5.9 miles'. It's amazing how just a short distance can cause such a big difference. Upton Park was just a mile from where the Olympic Stadium is now, but you hardly see any fans booze around the likes of Upton Park /Plaistow / East Ham / West Ham , which would previously be rammed. The amount of pubs that have shut is ridiculous, not to mention numerous street sellers and pie shops. 5.9 miles is a huge distance in that regard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, tarapoa said: Coventry City still having problems with the Ricoh Arena, which has been labelled a disastrous move to a soulless out of town bowl. They're looking to groundshare with Birmingham now. Distance from centre of Coventry - 6 miles. Bolton in the financial mire too - distance from centre of Bolton to Macron Arena (Horwich) - 5.3 miles Distance from Aberdeen City Centre to Kingsford labelled by the club as 'only 5.9 miles'. Coventry not owning their own stadium is the root cause of that problem and Bolton's issues are not down to poor attendance so it's hard to see how either of those are in any way comparable besides the distance itself. Plenty of teams that don't have stadiums on the edge of their towns/cities have financial issues too. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rodhull said: Plenty of teams that don't have stadiums on the edge of their towns/cities have financial issues too. Spoiler 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A96 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, LondonHMFC said: It's amazing how just a short distance can cause such a big difference. Upton Park was just a mile from where the Olympic Stadium is now, but you hardly see any fans booze around the likes of Upton Park /Plaistow / East Ham / West Ham , which would previously be rammed. The amount of pubs that have shut is ridiculous, not to mention numerous street sellers and pie shops. 5.9 miles is a huge distance in that regard. I’d imagine that there’s a wide range of pubs etc for fans to go to now , closer to the Olympic Stadium than the ones near to Upton Park where they used to go. Whereas there are currently hardly any pubs etc within a reasonable distance of Kingsford 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, A96 said: Whereas there are currently hardly any pubs etc within a reasonable distance of Kingsford There currently isn't a stadium within a reasonable distance of Kingsford. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) On 03/06/2019 at 15:22, TommyDickFingers said: There currently isn't a stadium within a reasonable distance of Kingsford. Football drives a lot less trade than you think it does - there's a reason why stadiums tend to be nestled in industrial parks or residential areas or out of town trade warehouse parks, rather than beside mixed-use retail streets (Edinburgh is kindof an exception). The prospect of punters bused in for three hours, once a fortnight for nine months of the year isn't exactly one that'll drive that much in the way of licensed trade on its own. Ibrox has 2-3 times the footfall of Pittodrie and has, what, one bar - the Loudon - whose primary aim is to service fans at the stadium on matchday. Other Rangers bars are parked elsewhere where they can pick up a more diverse range of customers. Sunderland's 30k-average attendance Stadium of Light, fairly close to the middle of town, only has one nearby pub that depends on it for trade, and that pub was already in existence when the Stadium was a colliery. The other pubs are all in shopping streets and retail centres hundreds of metres away, where there's enough footfall to get some trade in the other 13 days of the fortnight. Kingswells, OTOH, isn't within walking distance of a neighbourhood where people are going to be hanging around for fun. People work near there or sleep near there and to go there, they drive, making pubs a limited prospect at best. As of the time Google Street View took a drive past, the dual carriageway that passes the building site doesn't even have a footpath - giving prospective pub landlords the choice of putting the pub next to the stadium (where they get trade once a fortnight) or closer to the office workers and residential areas a few hundred yards either side where football fans who decamp their vehicles will find it hard to know they even exist, assuming they're willing to even traipse the distance. Kingswells won't really drive much in the way of third-party pub trade; the one pub that does make sense is for the stadium to have it's own bar that only opens when there's a game on, and with that kind of ready-made competition in place, it's hard to see why any prospective publican would bother. Edited June 4, 2019 by Aim Here 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) On 6/3/2019 at 13:10, tarapoa said: Coventry City still having problems with the Ricoh Arena, which has been labelled a disastrous move to a soulless out of town bowl. They're looking to groundshare with Birmingham now. Distance from centre of Coventry - 6 miles. Bolton in the financial mire too - distance from centre of Bolton to Macron Arena (Horwich) - 5.3 miles Distance from Aberdeen City Centre to Kingsford labelled by the club as 'only 5.9 miles'. Dens is less than 2 miles away from the city centre and we've been a financial basketcase for years. I have a hunch that your examples are very selective.... Edited June 4, 2019 by harry94 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Football drives a lot less trade than you think it does - there's a reason why stadiums tend to be nestled in industrial parks or residential areas or out of town trade warehouse parks, rather than beside mixed-use retail streets (Edinburgh is kindof an exception). The prospect of punters bused in for three hours, once a fortnight for nine months of the year isn't exactly one that'll drive that much in the way of licensed trade on its own. Ibrox has 2-3 times the footfall of Pittodrie and has, what, one bar - the Loudon - whose primary aim is to service fans at the stadium on matchday. Other Rangers bars are parked elsewhere where they can pick up a more diverse range of customers. Sunderland's 30k-average attendance Stadium of Light, fairly close to the middle of town, only has one nearby pub that depends on it for trade, and that pub was already in existence when the Stadium was a colliery. The other pubs are all in shopping streets and retail centres hundreds of metres away, where there's enough footfall to get some trade in the other 13 days of the fortnight. Kingswells, OTOH, isn't within walking distance of a neighbourhood where people are going to be hanging around for fun. People work near there or sleep near there and to go there, they drive, making pubs a limited prospect at best. As of the time Google Street View took a drive past, the dual carriageway that passes the building site doesn't even have a footpath - giving prospective pub landlords the choice of putting the pub next to the stadium (where they get trade once a fortnight) or closer to the office workers and residential areas a few hundred yards either side where football fans who decamp their vehicles will find it hard to know they even exist, assuming they're willing to even traipse the distance. Kingswells won't really drive much in the way of third-party pub trade; the one pub that does make sense is for the stadium to have it's own bar that only opens when there's a game on, and with that kind of ready-made competition in place, it's hard to see why any prospective publican would bother. This all make sense. There are plans in place for a bar at the stadium but it will only cater for less than 4% of the capacity so I don't think that it will be the destination of choice for the majority of fans that want a drink pre-match. Nor will it support the amount of people standing about waiting for the shuttle bus post-match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, strichener said: This all make sense. There are plans in place for a bar at the stadium but it will only cater for less than 4% of the capacity so I don't think that it will be the destination of choice for the majority of fans that want a drink pre-match. Nor will it support the amount of people standing about waiting for the shuttle bus post-match. It's obviously important for the club to get the Fanzone correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: It's obviously important for the club to get the Fanzone correct. Since it's outdoors they better have plenty of patio heaters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, strichener said: Since it's outdoors they better have plenty of patio heaters. The real money is in selling hats, scarves and gloves at the clubshop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Merkland Red said: The real money is in selling hats, scarves and gloves at the clubshop. Don’t forget the macc-a-roon bars, an’ ra’ speer-mint choo-ing guum.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Aim Here said: Football drives a lot less trade than you think it does - there's a reason why stadiums tend to be nestled in industrial parks or residential areas or out of town trade warehouse parks, rather than beside mixed-use retail streets (Edinburgh is kindof an exception). The majority of stadiums in last season's Scottish Premiership were within easy walking distance of "mixed-use retail streets". The only real out of town stadium was McDiarmid Park. Livingston and Hamilton are right next to retail parks but there's still pubs close enough. 2 hours ago, Aim Here said: Ibrox has 2-3 times the footfall of Pittodrie and has, what, one bar - the Loudon - whose primary aim is to service fans at the stadium on matchday. Other Rangers bars are parked elsewhere where they can pick up a more diverse range of customers. The Louden does all right out of subcrawls as well and there's plenty of pubs near Ibrox on Paisley Road West. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Why would that win you over?! It’s fucking dreadful! It’s nothing but a soulless bowl - why fans are trying to dress this up as some fantastic arena is beyond me. As new grounds go, that of AA Ghent is pretty good. You shouldn't judge other clubs with your own tinpot little shitheap. Telt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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