No_Problemo Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Some central midfield comparison/stats v Falkirk: Will bore the absolute life out of some, but I found it quite interesting to see just how poor we were in there in every capacity. The argument with much of the below is going to centre around tactical v individual players. For example McGinn receives as many passes as our two put together - is it tactical or do our players just not make themselves available. I think it’s primarily tactical, but there is also a bit of the other too. McAlear attempted to get himself more involved but was pretty woeful in terms of success (especially defensively)whereas Dempsey wasn’t really in the game in an attacking or defensive sense but did the little that he got involved with okay. Ultimately though, it just isn’t enough from either of them - we basically played an entire game without a midfield with Ashford the only one contributing. Despite McGinn receiving the ball far more, he lost the ball far less than our guys too. I would be tempted to start Smith alongside Murdoch on Saturday as he at least looks to get himself involved and get on the ball. Total Actions: McAlear: 73 - 42 % successful. Dempsey: 52 - 52% successful. McGinn: 81 - 74% successful. Passes: McAlear: 31 - 71% accurate Dempsey: 25 - 80% accurate McGinn: 57 - 84% accurate Long Passes: McAlear: 7 - 14% accurate Dempsey: 1 - 100% accurate McGinn: 6 - 67% accurate Forward Passes: Dempsey: 10 - 50% successful McAlear: 12. - 63% successful McGinn: 33 - 76% successful Back Passes: Dempsey: 4 - 100% accurate McALear: 7 - 93% successful McGinn: 2 - 100% successful Duels McAlear: 19 (32% won) Dempsey: 9 (78% won) McGinn: 10 (70% won) Interceptions: McAlear: 2 Dempsey: 3 McGinn: 4 Losses: McAlear: 9 - Four own half Dempsey: 10 - Three own half McGinn: 7 - One own half Recoveries: McAlear: 9 - four opponents half (None after 56th minute) Dempsey: 7 - four opponents half (Only one after 29th minute) McGinn: 17 - Three opponents half Defensive Duels: McAlear: 8 (38% won) Dempsey: 3 (100% won) McGinn: 10 (70% won) Loose Ball Duels McAlear: 6 (33% won) Dempsey: 2 (50% won) McGinn: 2 (100% won) Passes to final third: McAlear: 7 (29% accurate) Dempsey: 5 (80% accurate) McGinn: 12 (67% accurate) Received passes: McAlear: 15 Dempsey: 12 McGinn: 27 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibuya Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Those stats just show you how little we use our midfield, it's certainly not our style of play to pass the ball around. Falkirk also dropped Morrison and the Ukrainian lad a little deeper and they exerted full control after that with the numbers they had. We, meanwhile, played like a team on the road to a premier side and relied on launching it to Dipo. Pathetic. Big performance needed on Saturday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Shibuya said: Those stats just show you how little we use our midfield, it's certainly not our style of play to pass the ball around. Falkirk also dropped Morrison and the Ukrainian lad a little deeper and they exerted full control after that with the numbers they had. We, meanwhile, played like a team on the road to a premier side and relied on launching it to Dipo. Pathetic. Big performance needed on Saturday. Definitely - but it’s worrying how little they did defensively too. Although as you say they were completely outnumbered and Bullen had absolutely no response to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 58 minutes ago, eez-eh said: Come on, we were absolutely rotten for 65 minutes - you can’t just put it all on the two penalties. Of course you can that’s what won and lost the game for both teams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 39 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Some central midfield comparison I found it quite interesting to see just how poor we were in there in every capacity. Cant argue with that quote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 It wouldn't have taken much to win that game (not talking about the penalties or handball.) It was a massive failing on Bullen (mainly) and the players part which conspired to lose it. It was just a culmination of the past few months, it was bound to come to a head at some point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Some central midfield comparison/stats v Falkirk: Will bore the absolute life out of some, but I found it quite interesting to see just how poor we were in there in every capacity. The argument with much of the below is going to centre around tactical v individual players. For example McGinn receives as many passes as our two put together - is it tactical or do our players just not make themselves available. I think it’s primarily tactical, but there is also a bit of the other too. McAlear attempted to get himself more involved but was pretty woeful in terms of success (especially defensively)whereas Dempsey wasn’t really in the game in an attacking or defensive sense but did the little that he got involved with okay. Ultimately though, it just isn’t enough from either of them - we basically played an entire game without a midfield with Ashford the only one contributing. Despite McGinn receiving the ball far more, he lost the ball far less than our guys too. I would be tempted to start Smith alongside Murdoch on Saturday as he at least looks to get himself involved and get on the ball. Total Actions: McAlear: 73 - 42 % successful. Dempsey: 52 - 52% successful. McGinn: 81 - 74% successful. Passes: McAlear: 31 - 71% accurate Dempsey: 25 - 80% accurate McGinn: 57 - 84% accurate Long Passes: McAlear: 7 - 14% accurate Dempsey: 1 - 100% accurate McGinn: 6 - 67% accurate Forward Passes: Dempsey: 10 - 50% successful McAlear: 12. - 63% successful McGinn: 33 - 76% successful Back Passes: Dempsey: 4 - 100% accurate McALear: 7 - 93% successful McGinn: 2 - 100% successful Duels McAlear: 19 (32% won) Dempsey: 9 (78% won) McGinn: 10 (70% won) Interceptions: McAlear: 2 Dempsey: 3 McGinn: 4 Losses: McAlear: 9 - Four own half Dempsey: 10 - Three own half McGinn: 7 - One own half Recoveries: McAlear: 9 - four opponents half (None after 56th minute) Dempsey: 7 - four opponents half (Only one after 29th minute) McGinn: 17 - Three opponents half Defensive Duels: McAlear: 8 (38% won) Dempsey: 3 (100% won) McGinn: 10 (70% won) Loose Ball Duels McAlear: 6 (33% won) Dempsey: 2 (50% won) McGinn: 2 (100% won) Passes to final third: McAlear: 7 (29% accurate) Dempsey: 5 (80% accurate) McGinn: 12 (67% accurate) Received passes: McAlear: 15 Dempsey: 12 McGinn: 27 These stats are fairly reflective of the last 5 games (not looked further back). Macaleer is on 58% pass completion, which is abhorrent for a central midfielder over any period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: These stats are fairly reflective of the last 5 games (not looked further back). Macaleer is on 58% pass completion, which is abhorrent for a central midfielder over any period. Aye, it’s pretty appalling stuff. The duels won rate of 32% is just pathetic, and Dempsey just isn’t doing very much at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanlineayr Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Nelson said: Musonda is probably one of our highest earners so we probably feel like we need to get value out him, particularly since he’s missed over 4 months of the season through injury. I certainly don’t think he’s a a bad player on the whole, I’m just bemused as to why he’s built such a reputation with some fans. On the other hand someone like McGinty can’t do right for doing wrong - can you imagine the response if it was him that had conceded that handball?? A year ago it would have been somewhat justified as McGinty usually had at least one clanger per game. Bullen has flaws in his management as Monday vividly demonstrated but he has done a good job turning McGinty into a competent enough defender. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, Finlay21 said: Of course you can that’s what won and lost the game for both teams If we hadn’t played so horrifically for the majority of the match we wouldn’t have had to rely on not missing a late penalty. The concerning thing is I think yours is the same thought process Bullen has on it. There won’t be any great concern about the performance, or the performances of the last few months. We’ll just tell ourselves we were unlucky and would have won on other day so we’ve got to carry on. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North British 2 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, eez-eh said: we’ve got to carry on. In a nut shell . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, eez-eh said: If we hadn’t played so horrifically for the majority of the match we wouldn’t have had to rely on not missing a late penalty. The concerning thing is I think yours is the same thought process Bullen has on it. There won’t be any great concern about the performance, or the performances of the last few months. We’ll just tell ourselves we were unlucky and would have won on other day so we’ve got to carry on. That's depressing as f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, eez-eh said: If we hadn’t played so horrifically for the majority of the match we wouldn’t have had to rely on not missing a late penalty. The concerning thing is I think yours is the same thought process Bullen has on it. There won’t be any great concern about the performance, or the performances of the last few months. We’ll just tell ourselves we were unlucky and would have won on other day so we’ve got to carry on. That's a worrying thought actually. And maybe part of it is due to only losing by the odd goal. If we were getting scudded, scoreline wise, maybe the penny would drop. Or maybe he's acutely aware of it, and is going with the long ball to bypass the midfield completely. Either way it's on him to find a solution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Nelson said: On the other hand someone like McGinty can’t do right for doing wrong - can you imagine the response if it was him that had conceded that handball?? Imagine if it had been Lionel Messi who had conceded it! Wouldn't people have gotten angry at Lionel Messi! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, itzdrk said: These stats are fairly reflective of the last 5 games (not looked further back). Macaleer is on 58% pass completion, which is abhorrent for a central midfielder over any period. Considering he very rarely attempts to pass the ball forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrAtlanta Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I’m sure we employ at least one analyst (correct me if I’m wrong) so I’d like to know if it’s not those stats then what are they analysing? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a football team utilise their midfield as little as ours, good or bad. It’s got to the point I usually forget Dempsey is playing. I only know McAlear is playing because he usually fucks up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, AyrAtlanta said: I’m sure we employ at least one analyst (correct me if I’m wrong) so I’d like to know if it’s not those stats then what are they analysing? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a football team utilise their midfield as little as ours, good or bad. It’s got to the point I usually forget Dempsey is playing. I only know McAlear is playing because he usually fucks up. The analyst can only present the data to the coaching team. If they choose to be stubborn and ignore it nothing can be done. It's worth remembering we've been hoofing it all season, it was just a wee bit nicer because Chalmers was there doing wee bits of magic earlier on. Edited March 16, 2023 by itzdrk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, itzdrk said: It's worth remembering we've been hoofing it all season For over two seasons, over three managers, no less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Our season to-date in gif form, I'll go first... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Thumper said: For over two seasons, over three managers, no less. I'd go as far back as Kerr's covid team and suggest it's how the club wishes to play football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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