2426255 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: Why believe your lying eyes when a manager with clear motivations to be economical with the truth tells you something What do you think is motivating Arteta to be economical with the truth? I couldn't think of anything obvious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Algebraist Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) Sounds to me form that interview that Arteta expects more from Tierney if he wants to be in the side. The way he says he "hopes" he is disappointed makes me wonder if he believes he has had his head turned by speculation as well. Tierney has often looked like a complete monster playing for us, I remember when he wasn't available for the Czech game thinking we were fucked. When he has played for Arsenal he looks scared in comparison. I don't think Arteta is managing him all that well, one of those players who maybe needs a more pat on the bum Klopp style boss, but I also don't think Arteta is going to change his mind unless he gets over whatever mental block is in his way and actually starts playing like he can. I am a huge fan but he needs to stand up for himself against Arteta and any other boy coming. Young lad, big city etc etc. Fine. No-one else is going to fix it for him though. Arteta isn't his dad. Get out there and play like a lion or move. P.S. May have got a bit carried away over a very short video clip. If all the above is true it points to Tierney being a sensitive, reflective and probably thoroughly decent human being as well which are all to the good. Doesn't rule you out of being a title winner but doesn't make you one either. Edited August 18, 2023 by The Algebraist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Not in the squad tonight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 18/08/2023 at 12:27, 2426255 said: What do you think is motivating Arteta to be economical with the truth? I couldn't think of anything obvious. Agreed but tbh, it really does look like Arteta isn’t being honest. Just because we don’t know why he’s doing it, doesn’t mean he isn’t, it just means we don’t know his reasons for it. Tierney is clearly done at Arsenal, Arteta has made it pretty clear (in his actions) that he doesn’t like his style of play and that he doesn’t include him in the team (and now the squad!). There is no point pretending that putting him on in the 70th min (or whatever it was) has any value or somehow speaks volumes that he’ll play this season when he hardly played him preseason and he’s leaving him out the squad entirely now. What I don’t get is why Arsenal couldn’t work out a deal with Newcastle. Having some money for him, either now or next year, must surely be better than devaluing him more by not even having him in the match day squad? If his value has fallen, It’s their own fault for bombing him out the team. Why do they prefer to have him sit around doing nothing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Jambomo said: Agreed but tbh, it really does look like Arteta isn’t being honest. Just because we don’t know why he’s doing it, doesn’t mean he isn’t, it just means we don’t know his reasons for it. Arteta's comments make more sense to me if KT's pushing to move, but Arteta prefers to keep him as part of the squad. If Arteta wants KT gone then what is the advantage of holding that back? Misleading doesn't play well with a fanbase in the longer term especially if KT is sold shortly after it's suggested he is part of the plans. Tierney played a higher number of minutes during pre-season compared to Arsenal players who have since been sold. This suggests to me he is/was considered part of the plans at that time. The story of him leaving Arsenal doubtless has truth to it but the mystery around it seems needless. Edited August 21, 2023 by 2426255 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: Arteta's comments make more sense to me if KT's pushing to move, but Arteta prefers to keep him as part of the squad. If Arteta wants KT gone then what is the advantage of holding that back? Misleading doesn't play well with a fanbase in the longer term especially if KT is sold shortly after it's suggested he is part of the plans. I am not sure, but why put a player on the bench all season, make it clear he’s not wanted (by literally playing anyone else that could vaguely play LB) and then think he’s not going to leave? Why would you then want that player to stay? He might be in the squad, but he’ll not play him unless it’s 10mins at the end of a game or everyone else is injured. Arteta's handling of all this seems terrible. I hope him being left out tonight is indicative of him having a new club lined up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Arteta is a fucking p***k. Hope they win f**k all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 @Satoshi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Pathetic that he is still there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewing Taffies Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: @Satoshi Not been seen since Tierney dropped back to 5th choice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chewing Taffies said: Not been seen since Tierney dropped back to 5th choice I mean I want to see Tierney do well but at what cost? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, gannonball said: I mean I want to see Tierney do well but at what cost? I think the nation will take the hit. Stay where you are, Tierney. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) That's the most bowfing strip seen in many years Edited August 21, 2023 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Need a move to another EPL pronto 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Tomiyasu got sent off tonight so maybe KT will get to sit on the bench next week. Exciting times! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, Donathan said: Tomiyasu got sent off tonight so maybe KT will get to sit on the bench next week. Exciting times! The percentage of match day squads featured in (%MDSFI) set to receive a timely boost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 You'll never convince me that Tomiyasu is a better option at left back than Tierney. Whether it's inverting, overlapping, playing as a lcb in the build up, Tierney is just better all round. Arsenal have been pretty miserable to watch this season so far, I hope they implode tbh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 13 hours ago, eez-eh said: The percentage of match day squads featured in (%MDSFI) set to receive a timely boost. You joke, but you know that now the stats virgins will pounce on that as a valued metric to judge a player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: You'll never convince me that Tomiyasu is a better option at left back than Tierney. Whether it's inverting, overlapping, playing as a lcb in the build up, Tierney is just better all round. Arsenal have been pretty miserable to watch this season so far, I hope they implode tbh At least with Zinchenko you can look at it and see that he is ridiculous on the ball, even if he is terrible defensively. Tomiyasu is bad enough, but then Kiwior getting on the bench in front of him is utterly wild. Edited August 22, 2023 by No_Problemo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 7 hours ago, No_Problemo said: At least with Zinchenko you can look at it and see that he is ridiculous on the ball, even if he is terrible defensively. Tomiyasu is bad enough, but then Kiwior getting on the bench in front of him is utterly wild. To be fair, Kiwior is a natural CB 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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