Detournement Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, dorlomin said: You mean in countries like Germany, Denmark and China that have their factories already producing offshore wind and so on. You mean massively increase our national debt. And this is still not thinking about the manpower required to be trained to do the huge amount of work for about 6 years then stop. Lets face it, you are a buffoon who believes in conspiracy theories so practicalities are bottom of your skill set. There are countries outside Europe. Africa needs a huge increase in power generation in coming decades. National debt doesn't increase at all because there are assets which balance any debts ran up. And as we know from MMT governments don't need to worry about debt in their own currency which is why the UK can borrow at less than 1% (effectively free) despite having a huge debt pile. Having a highly skilled workforce isn't exactly a problem and again the idea that decarbonising by 2030 means all the required work will be done by 2030 is incredibly fucking stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 So can somebody just confirm that the Labour Party manifesto is more or less exactly what the SNP do in Scotland, where they were opposed at every turn by the Labour Party? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 So can somebody just confirm that the Labour Party manifesto is more or less exactly what the SNP do in Scotland, where they were opposed at every turn by the Labour Party?There’s some things (the integration of private schools into the public sector being the most prominent) that go beyond what the SNP do but I was saying the other day that it’s really funny that Johann Lamont’s Slab in particular spent so much time insisting means testing prescription charges was actually more socialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Do Labour genuinely think that it's a good idea to abolish private schools? Do they realise how big an industry education is to the UK . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ForzaDundee said: Do Labour genuinely think that it's a good idea to abolish private schools? Do they realise how big an industry education is to the UK . Mandating all 5-17 year olds are in full-time state provided education is idealist but I see two major problems 1. The inevitable drop in quality of education caused by having to stretch budgets to accommodate the 6.5% jump in head count of state schools that would be caused by closing down all the private schools. 2. It wouldn't really guarantee equality. You'd be naive to think well off parents won't just spend the money that would have gone on private school fees to provide their children with one-to-one tuition in the evenings/weekends/school holidays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, JamieThomas said: So can somebody just confirm that the Labour Party manifesto is more or less exactly what the SNP do in Scotland, where they were opposed at every turn by the Labour Party? No. It's not even close. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Mandating all 5-17 year olds are in full-time state provided education is idealist but I see two major problems 1. The inevitable drop in quality of education caused by having to stretch budgets to accommodate the 6.5% jump in head count of state schools that would be caused by closing down all the private schools. 2. It wouldn't really guarantee equality. You'd be naive to think well off parents won't just spend the money that would have gone on private school fees to provide their children with one-to-one tuition in the evenings/weekends/school holidays.It's not about the grades or the better education - it's about the contacts made. It's absolutely toxic and I'd love the Labour party to follow this through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Donathan said: Mandating all 5-17 year olds are in full-time state provided education is idealist but I see two major problems 1. The inevitable drop in quality of education caused by having to stretch budgets to accommodate the 6.5% jump in head count of state schools that would be caused by closing down all the private schools. 2. It wouldn't really guarantee equality. You'd be naive to think well off parents won't just spend the money that would have gone on private school fees to provide their children with one-to-one tuition in the evenings/weekends/school holidays. It will just mean massive variation in quality between the good schools and the bad schools and also a complete postcode lottery and nightmare for parents getting your kid into a decent school. Also how on earth could they get independent school staff to take a massive pay cut to join the private sector. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, ForzaDundee said: It will just mean massive variation in quality between the good schools and the bad schools and also a complete postcode lottery and nightmare for parents getting your kid into a decent school. Also how on earth could they get independent school staff to take a massive pay cut to join the private sector. I mean they'd be a bit short on options: 1) Take the cut and move into the public sector 2) Become a tutor, which there will presumably be extra demand for, but enough to make it a viable career? 3) Move abroad or change careers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 It will just mean massive variation in quality between the good schools and the bad schools and also a complete postcode lottery and nightmare for parents getting your kid into a decent school. Also how on earth could they get independent school staff to take a massive pay cut to join the private sector. There's already a massive variation in quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Donathan said: I mean they'd be a bit short on options: 1) Take the cut and move into the public sector 2) Become a tutor, which there will presumably be extra demand for, but enough to make it a viable career? 3) Move abroad or change careers 4) Self immolation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 It will just mean massive variation in quality between the good schools and the bad schools and also a complete postcode lottery and nightmare for parents getting your kid into a decent school. Damn, this sounds horrible. Thank goodness it doesn’t happen already. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just watched Paul Sweeney MP on Sky news. He is now on board with the latest Britnat smear, stating the 2014 referendum had "sectarianised" Scottish politics. His Conservative chum sitting opposite nodding in agreement. They are obviously trying to grow the portrayal that a belief in independence is sectarian. Disgusting. Still red tories. How can anyone vote for the shower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 You don't think that 2014 polarised Scottish politics? You are a prime example! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: You don't think that 2014 polarised Scottish politics? You are a prime example! What a daft comment. Politics is divisive by nature. The issue here is the repeated use of "sectarian" or "sectarianised" to describe Scottish politics. This is deliberate. Given the connotations of the phrase in Scotland, it is a clear tact to demonise, smear and muddy waters. Desperate behaviour.....but not unexpected....from a Scottish labour politician. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Looking forward to facing the choice of Paul Sweeney and Ann McLaughlin again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Looking forward to facing the choice of Paul Sweeney and Ann McLaughlin again. Sweeney was on TV supporting the FoM motion so you can vote Labour this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: Sweeney was on TV supporting the FoM motion so you can vote Labour this time. On the other hand, Sweeney is a complete fucking knobber. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Hodge will face a reselection battle. Hopefully she’s out on her arse. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/margaret-hodge-to-face-reselection-after-local-labour-party-vote 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Hodge will face a reselection battle. Hopefully she’s out on her arse. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/margaret-hodge-to-face-reselection-after-local-labour-party-vote Take a long hard look at what an utter clown Swinson is. Then dwell on this, the UK voters think she is less of a clown than Corbyn. Like most of the sad losers who support him, you cannot explain how these purges are meant to win marginal continuances and swing voters who voted Conservative in the last 3 general elections to return to voting Labour. It is fringe loonies seeking to make a party that only appeals to fringe loonies. Edited September 28, 2019 by dorlomin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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