AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Has anyone ever suggested those players would've improved the national team? Well they've asked for them to be called up. What's the point in calling any player up unless it improves the national team? Wee day out for Frazer Wright to Moldova because he's been such a good boi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Well they've asked for them to be called up. Who asked for Simon Lappin to be called up and when? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Who asked for Simon Lappin to be called up and when? I think you know the answer already to that but there are a few on that list that at one point saints fans were pipping for a call up at one point. None of whom were good enough really. Edited November 19, 2018 by gannonball 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, gannonball said: I think you know the answer already to that but there are several on that list that at one point saints fans were pipping for a call up. None of whom were good enough really. Which ones? And when? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Who asked for Simon Lappin to be called up and when? St. Mirren fans did years ago. The point, that you are either wilfully ignoring or just unable to grasp, is this entire thread is about St. Johnstone players being overlooked for international football with Scotland. On the face of it, with the recent "success" (subjectively) of St. Johnstone there is an argument to be had as to why St. Johnstone players have been overlooked over players playing in England's third tier or even our own 2nd tier. On further examination, however, it's clearly because the majority of the players St. Johnstone have based this good period in their history on have been average players who do not warrant a place in the Scotland squad. Although some players such as Foster, for instance, would do an adequate job filling in for a game or two if injuries and suspension hit us hard in certain areas, none of them would improve the squad and few have ever looked like they had the potential to do so either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, gannonball said: I think you know the answer already to that but there are several on that list that at one point saints fans were pipping for a call up. None of whom were good enough really. The only one that I'd say should've been close is Dave Mackay, just my opinion though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said: St. Mirren fans did years ago. So we're agreed that Saints fans have never called for Simon Lappin to be capped by Scotland. Good. How about Gary McDonald? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 What about Gary McDonald? You're purposefully missing the point and I am failing to understand why. Can you explain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 41 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: In those five years the following players have made 30+ appearances for St. Johnstone in a season: Brian Easton Stevie May David Wotherspoon Gary McDonald Chris Miller Steven Anderson Frazer Wright Dave Mackay Simon Lappin Michael O'Halloran Blair Alston Danny Swanson Richard Foster Chris Kane Liam Craig Which of those players would have improved the national team? Hide contents The correct answer is f**k all. Is it at all possible that St. Johnstone are a team that works on having workmanlike, but not exceptional, players who do well as a cohesive unit headed by good coaching and management that makes them difficult to beat rather than a club that produces players able to step up to international standard? Foster, Mackay, O'Halloran and May all would've been capped if they'd played as well for Aberdeen as they did for us. That's the point I'm making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: What about Gary McDonald? You're purposefully missing the point and I am failing to understand why. Can you explain? Sure. You claimed that Saints fans called for Simon Lappin to be capped by Scotland. We've now agreed that you are a liar. I'm merely trying to establish how much of a liar you are. Clear enough? Edited November 19, 2018 by Tibbermoresaint Punctuation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Foster, Mackay, O'Halloran and May all would've been capped if they'd played as well for Aberdeen as they did for us. That's the point I'm making. Possibly. But can give you examples of Aberdeen players of similar quality who have been capped in those five years? 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Sure. You claimed that Saints fans called for Simon Lappin to be capped by Scotland. I never. The only thing we're agreed on is that your reading comprehension is terrible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Which ones? And when? 40 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Stevie May Dave Mackay Michael O'Halloran Danny Swanson Richard Foster Which of those players would have improved the national team? Reveal hidden contents The correct answer is f**k all. Off the top of my head there the ones that I can remember being touted at some point. Some more isolated shouts than others, the most recent example being that (Foster) where hilariously it seems to be more him and his bird. The only one I would have said had some merit at the time was May. Like the rest of them though the shouts for them have been proven wrong as none have gone on to bigger or better things, however his would have to be put down to injury as the player I see now is an absolute shadow of what he was despite being in only his mid 20’s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I never. The only thing we're agreed on is that your reading comprehension is terrible "They've asked for them to be called up" is fairly unequivocal. Any more lies you want to share with us? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said: Possibly. But can give you examples of Aberdeen players of similar quality who have been capped in those five years? Michael Devlin, GMS and Kenny McLean all spring to mind. May scored over 20 goals and O'Halloran tore the league apart for six months. I'm not saying they should've been starting. I'm not claiming Mackay/Foster would be a better option than Hutton. I'm saying that players in form at St Johnstone won't be called up, but players in form at "bigger clubs", at the same level, will be. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: "They've asked for them to be called up" is fairly unequivocal. Any more lies you want to share with us? "Them" as in the collective. As in "St. Johnstone players." specifically aimed at RandomGuy's salient point at St. Johnstone's league position in the last half decade. If you want to nitpick go ahead. You know you specifically took what I said out of context and I can't fathom why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Foster, Mackay, O'Halloran and May all would've been capped if they'd played as well for Aberdeen as they did for us. That's the point I'm making.May’s been found out at Aberdeen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: "Them" as in the collective. As in "St. Johnstone players." specifically aimed at RandomGuy's salient point at St. Johnstone's league position in the last half decade. That was to point out that St Johnstone players in form aren't doing it at a lower level or anything than an Aberdeen player. To combat the "aye but saints are bottom half dross" type comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Enigma said: May’s been found out at Aberdeen. He obliterated all three ligaments in his knee, and that was in his favoured right leg. I'm surprised he's still playing at all. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: No I've not. You were using the fact that sides like Dunfermline claim bigger crowds than St Johnstone, as evidence of why St Johnstone players shouldn't get capped. Otherwise, why mention it on this thread? 4 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: I'm not making a case for calling up particular St Johnstone players at all, so I don't know why you're telling me all of the above. What I am doing Is challenging the view that how many people watch home matches of given clubs, should be some sort of selection criterion. I don't think you've read the thread properly tbh, absolutely no one is advocating that players should be called up based on crowd sizes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: Michael Devlin, GMS and Kenny McLean all spring to mind. May scored over 20 goals and O'Halloran tore the league apart for six months. I'm not saying they should've been starting. I'm not claiming Mackay/Foster would be a better option than Hutton. I'm saying that players in form at St Johnstone won't be called up, but players in form at "bigger clubs", at the same level, will be. Hmmm... not too sure about this now I've looked at it a bit deeper. Using the same criteria (30+ games in the last five seasons) here's Aberdeen potential caps... Graeme Shinnie Scott McKenna Kenny McLean Andrew Considine Mark Reynolds Ryan Jack Peter Pawlett David Goodwillie Jamie Langfield Russell Anderson Now Goodwillie and Anderson had been previously capped but weren't in this time period. Of the rest only Shinnie, McKenna and McLean got capped while at Aberdeen. Shinnie and McKenna only got capped this year (Shinnie, especially, has only been capped when there's been a large number of call offs) Basically the only Aberdeen player to be capped by Scotland you could argue against as would be Kenny McLean who is still streets ahead of any St. Johnstone midfielder in the same period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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