101 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, ali_91 said: Sorry, I should say it shouldn’t be a TV show. Rule changes shouldn’t be dictated by someone from Ayr who wants a little bit more excitement out of their Sky Sports package. There are red lines in place already, no 3PM Saturday live matches for one, there’s no reason to pander to Sky Sports Season ticket holders with the very essence of the match going experience being sacrificed in order to do so. The no live matches at 3pm is pointless and can very easily be go around and would only really work if every game was played at that time. The governing bodies should ensure that TV deals don't make football inaccessible to supporters e.g. moving games to kick off times that mean it's difficult to attend especially for visiting fans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 The point of VAR is meant to be to correct "clear and obvious errors". There are too many "debatable" cases being reviewed. That's missing the whole point. If a situation can be seen as "debatable" (i.e. giving a penalty/red etc. or not could both be defended using the laws of the game), the referee's decision should stand and no review should take place. I've said a few times, if it takes 3-4 minutes to look at something before making your mind up then that would suggest there was nothing "clear and obvious" about it.I'm also sure when VAR was introduced it mentioned only 4 specific things it was to be used to check.Offside.Penalties.Red cards.Mistaken identity.It would appear that has been expanded without any prior notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, peasy23 said: I've said a few times, if it takes 3-4 minutes to look at something before making your mind up then that would suggest there was nothing "clear and obvious" about it. I'm also sure when VAR was introduced it mentioned only 4 specific things it was to be used to check. Offside. Penalties. Red cards. Mistaken identity. It would appear that has been expanded without any prior notice. By "offside" it's actually any goal/no goal decision, so includes any foul in the build-up by the attacking team, or things like if the ball was out for a goal kick before being cut back to a player who went on to score. I'm not sure where it's been "expanded" tbh. The punishment for a goalkeeper coming off the line at a penalty is another penalty, so that falls under the definition of infringements that are reviewable under VAR, and one of the consequences of VAR is that rules are applied more literally than they had been in the past. A similar example to this is the men's world cup last summer where we saw a lot of penalties given for wrestling in the box at set pieces, whereas that sort of thing has gone unpunished for years despite technically being illegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Donathan said: By "offside" it's actually any goal/no goal decision, so includes any foul in the build-up by the attacking team, or things like if the ball was out for a goal kick before being cut back to a player who went on to score. I'm not sure where it's been "expanded" tbh. The punishment for a goalkeeper coming off the line at a penalty is another penalty, so that falls under the definition of infringements that are reviewable under VAR, and one of the consequences of VAR is that rules are applied more literally than they had been in the past. A similar example to this is the men's world cup last summer where we saw a lot of penalties given for wrestling in the box at set pieces, whereas that sort of thing has gone unpunished for years despite technically being illegal. There's nothing "technically" about it, it's either illegal or it isn't. All that shoving and pushing etc should be penalised. If the laws were enforced it would soon stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand 2 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 The use of VAR has been absolutely farcical in this World Cup and has overshadowed the competition which is a real shame. The game has well and truly gone if we are going to rule out goals like Cameroon's on the basis that half a foot was in an offside position. Having watched the tennis yesterday, I think it would be far more sensible that each team has three VAR calls. If they use them up on spurious calls and the referee misses a handball, well f**k them - you had the chance. The referee is there to call the game as they see it - the standard is only going to get worse where there is dependence on going to the screens to make every single call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I've enjoyed some of the football at this world cup, but the standard of refereeing has set the women's game back 30 years. If you're going to publicise a woman's world cup to the heavens, with professional women players on high wages, and if you're going to present it worldwide as on an equal status with the men's game, then you've got to have officials who can match the occasion. What we've had in this world cup are a set of referees who are hopelessly out of their depth....some of them have made matches a laughing stock......and this makes the women's game wide-open to accusations that it's still amateur pish. Combine these referees with VAR and no wonder the attention has switched from the actual football. Half the people are watching these games now in the hope of another chaotic shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Goalkeepers moving well off their line for penalties has bugged me for years - mostly because nothing was ever done about it. However, it's not something that we needed VAR for. It shouldn't be a technical on the line or off the line situation. If the assistant, from a few yards, thinks the 'keeper is taking the piss by coming well off their line then have it retaken if it's missed. That's it. It's never something that VAR is need for. Keep to the clear and obvious mistakes for the limited number of major events. As others have said, if it takes more than a few seconds for a VAR team to determine if a mistake has been made then it's not clear and obvious. If an assistant can't see the goalkeeper off their line from a few yards away then it's not clear and obvious. VAR worked relatively well last year at the World Cup, but they've overreached this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) If VAR and the associated refs in the cubby hole looked at an potential offside decision and decided somebody's foot was about 20mm offside, Id be wanting to see how the system was calibrated and what the level of accuracy/precision was on the systems/software used. If it looked at 10 similar situations, what was the level of repeatability? Im sure at some point, some IT c**t will f**k it up (they normally do) and will have forgot to calibrate it properly. Having Thierry Henry punch the ball into the net against Southern Ireland is much more fun. Edited June 24, 2019 by Melanius Mullarkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 No, the standard of the football has ruined it. It is actually worth watching some of them for a laugh. Gogglebox should cover the fans watching the games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing gravie Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 16 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Has FIFA ruined the Burds World Cup? Has the apostrophe ruined your thread title? No, but the team at Ayebroke being allowed back into mainstream football and wearing 5 stars (one for each year out of administration?) has gone a long way to ruining football for me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ali_91 said: You support Clyde? Clyde would hump those teams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Clyde would hump those teamsOne of their players might, but not consensually. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Clyde would hump those teamsDid you sit and watch Jess Ennis win gold in 2012 saying "Daley Thompson would hump her"? Or Liz McGolgan, back in her heyday, saying "guys who can run faster than her would run faster than her"?Apart from tennis occasionally, nobody talks like this about any sport other than football. It's tedious, and nothing more than a show of the fragile masculinity that's all too common among male football fans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 One of their players might, but not consensually.Gordon, I’m shocked [emoji33] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Did you sit and watch Jess Ennis win gold in 2012 saying "Daley Thompson would hump her"? Or Liz McGolgan, back in her heyday, saying "guys who can run faster than her would run faster than her"?Apart from tennis occasionally, nobody talks like this about any sport other than football. It's tedious, and nothing more than a show of the fragile masculinity that's all too common among male football fans.This thread is the fragile patriarchy writ large. The very best that can be said about it is the OP doesn’t mean a word he says. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, GordonS said: Did you sit and watch Jess Ennis win gold in 2012 saying "Daley Thompson would hump her"? Or Liz McGolgan, back in her heyday, saying "guys who can run faster than her would run faster than her"? Apart from tennis occasionally, nobody talks like this about any sport other than football. It's tedious, and nothing more than a show of the fragile masculinity that's all too common among male football fans. It's just running That's why there are no comparisons Footballs a wee bit different 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, GordonS said: Did you sit and watch Jess Ennis win gold in 2012 saying "Daley Thompson would hump her"? Or Liz McGolgan, back in her heyday, saying "guys who can run faster than her would run faster than her"? Apart from tennis occasionally, nobody talks like this about any sport other than football. It's tedious, and nothing more than a show of the fragile masculinity that's all too common among male football fans. The quality is poor, and hiding behind political correctness does not change that. I would rather watch Clyde any day. If you don’t agree that’s your business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 hours ago, GordonS said: 3 hours ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said: Clyde would hump those teams One of their players might, but not consensually. And talking about tedious, Jesus what a bore. You managed to turn a comment about the relative quality of Clyde and women’s football into something about sexual violence. Well played. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, ali_91 said: You support a club that happily employs someone that a court ruled was a rapist, not entirely sure you should be claiming the moral high ground mate. Never thought of that. Maybe he should never be allowed to earn a living again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 That would be harsh but he definitely shouldn't be allowed to play against the USA Women's National Team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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