The Big Relegation Thread

[craigkillie]

So what punishment do St Mirren and Killie get for not following the rules
Dundee Utd played a game that they would almost certainly have tried to get postponed due to the action that the SPFL dished out. 

A fine seems reasonable.

Dundee United trying to get a game postponed would have been completely wrong, if you're able to play you should play. I can't speak for St Mirren, but Killie were prepared and ready to play until we were told not to on the morning of the game.

[Lobby Dossar]

1 minute ago, Shuggie_Murray7 said:

A points deduction.

Agreed …… see my previous post

[Lobby Dossar]

1 minute ago, craigkillie said:

A fine seems reasonable.

Dundee United trying to get a game postponed would have been completely wrong, if you're able to play you should play. I can't speak for St Mirren, but Killie were prepared and ready to play until we were told not to on the morning of the game.

You’ve got a £40K suspended fine at the moment 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Lobby Dossar

[craigkillie]

1 minute ago, Lobby Dossar said:

You’ve got a £40K suspended fine at the moment 

That's right, that sort of fine seems like a reasonable punishment.

[wastecoatwilly]

1 minute ago, Ric said:

Yet both the same root cause. The difference, as we all know, is that Aberdeen and Celtic are considered far more important than other provincial sides.

Mince,In house decisions are different from the government telling football to bend over it's time for a spanking.

[Lobby Dossar]

2 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

That's right, that sort of fine seems like a reasonable punishment.

Think there’s more to this than meets the eye. The investigatin then the awarding  of 3-0 took weeks to announce.

No way would it take that long for them to be told by test & trace the players who had to quarantine 

[Lobby Dossar]

10 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

A fine seems reasonable.

Dundee United trying to get a game postponed would have been completely wrong, if you're able to play you should play. I can't speak for St Mirren, but Killie were prepared and ready to play until we were told not to on the morning of the game.

What’s the difference between what you did and Dundee United having 7 players + manager a coaching staff not available.

[NorthBank]

5 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

So what punishment do St Mirren and Killie get for not following the rules Which by the way both have admitted too.

Dundee Utd played a game that they would almost certainly have tried to get postponed due to the action that the SPFL dished out. 

St Mirren admitted certain things happened but did not admit that they were responsible. For example in the car sharing the Club did not tell players to car share and when they found out it happened they told the players to stop. But admitted it did happen. And two weeks ago on Off The Ball Jason Leitch said car sharing could be allowed if it was the only way someone could get to their employment. So are the rules not clearly defined? Other Clubs have had players break rules with no comeback on the Clubs involved (Dundee Utd and Celtic team photos for example; Rangers players going to a party).

St Mirren literally did not have 13 players available to play the games as we had a small pool and a horrendous injury list and suspensions and everyone else in isolation. We had players who did have Covid and were effected by it only recently claiming that they are feeling back to normal. St Mirren did not have enough to make a squad. If we had 13 players available the games would have been played.

[elvis]

The Scottish government postponed that game nothing to do with the SPFL.

No they never. It was suggested by them but the final decision was left up to the spfl who ultimately postponed the game to appease them.

[Lobby Dossar]

8 minutes ago, NorthBank said:

St Mirren admitted certain things happened but did not admit that they were responsible. For example in the car sharing the Club did not tell players to car share and when they found out it happened they told the players to stop. But admitted it did happen. And two weeks ago on Off The Ball Jason Leitch said car sharing could be allowed if it was the only way someone could get to their employment. So are the rules not clearly defined? Other Clubs have had players break rules with no comeback on the Clubs involved (Dundee Utd and Celtic team photos for example; Rangers players going to a party).

St Mirren literally did not have 13 players available to play the games as we had a small pool and a horrendous injury list and suspensions and everyone else in isolation. We had players who did have Covid and were effected by it only recently claiming that they are feeling back to normal. St Mirren did not have enough to make a squad. If we had 13 players available the games would have been played.

Horrendous injury list and suspensions don’t  come into the equation !!! Part of the game.

Motherwell have had at least 6 players who would 1st team picks and 2 players who had to isolate due to U21 f**k up and yet they just had to get on with it.

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Lobby Dossar

[FTOF]

2 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

Horrendous injury list and suspensions don’t  come into the equation !!! Part of the game.

Motherwell have had at least 6 players who would 1st team picks and 2 players who had to isolate due to U21 f**k up and yet they just had to get on with it.

Of course it does, when you have a small squad and you don't routinely test every youth player, due to costs.

This is where clubs with bigger finances than us, clearly have an advantage.

[flood]

35 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

The Scottish government postponed that game nothing to do with the SPFL.

The Scottish government stopped the killie game too...but yet we got punished far more than celtic 

[Lobby Dossar]

3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Of course it does, when you have a small squad and you don't routinely test every youth player, due to costs.

This is where clubs with bigger finances than us, clearly have an advantage.

So your saying you’ve got 3 players suspended and a few injured you just ask  for a postponement ………… PISH 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Lobby Dossar

[IrishBhoy]

14 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Mince,In house decisions are different from the government telling football to bend over it's time for a spanking.

At the time of St Mirrens first postponed game 3 players had Covid, they had more than enough players to fulfil the fixture. It was the governments regulations on self-isolation which didn’t allow the game to go ahead, however they come to the conclusion on which players need to isolate. So for all intents and purposes, the game was postponed on the governments say so. 
 

Napoli had their 3-0 forfeiture overturned because local government forbid them travelling to the game. There’s not a massive difference between that and governments restrictions in this country not allowing St Mirren/Kilmarnock players travelling to a game they were willing to play. 

[IrishBhoy]

4 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Of course it does, when you have a small squad and you don't routinely test every youth player, due to costs.

This is where clubs with bigger finances than us, clearly have an advantage.

And clubs with the money to purchase their own Covid testing machine, who only ever discover positive tests once their players are on international duty. 

[Lobby Dossar]

2 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said:

At the time of St Mirrens first postponed game 3 players had Covid, they had more than enough players to fulfil the fixture. It was the governments regulations on self-isolation which didn’t allow the game to go ahead, however they come to the conclusion on which players need to isolate. So for all intents and purposes, the game was postponed on the governments say so. 
 

Napoli had their 3-0 forfeiture overturned because local government forbid them travelling to the game. There’s not a massive difference between that and governments restrictions in this country not allowing St Mirren/Kilmarnock players travelling to a game they were willing to play. 

This takes me back to my previous point re the investigation ………. What exactly were the clubs told by test & trace and were the whole club told to isolate 

Still think both St Mirren and Killie were at it ( due to suspensions and injures ) and thought they could get away with it.

Remind me just how long the investigation took  before they came up with the punishment ??? 

[Yorky]

What a shambles.

[wastecoatwilly]

13 minutes ago, elvis said:

37 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

The Scottish government postponed that game nothing to do with the SPFL.

No they never. It was suggested by them but the final decision was left up to the spfl who ultimately postponed the game to appease them.

Giving football a yellow card was the government flexing their muscles (get your house in order or we will shut you down).
Footballing governance using the threat of points deduction is playing the game but should not happen and will not happen,Compromising league positions off the pitch ending the sporting content makes the league season a farce.

[Billy Jean King]

Decision on 14 January

[IrishBhoy]

4 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

This takes me back to my previous point re the investigation ………. What exactly were the clubs told by test & trace and were the whole club told to isolate 

Still think both St Mirren and Killie were at it ( due to suspensions and injures ) and thought they could get away with it.

Remind me just how long the investigation took  before they came up with the punishment ??? 

I remember hearing when St Mirren had their 3 goalkeepers out with Covid/self-isolating, that they used the GPS devices the players wear at training to determine who was a close contact and who wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s fact but I can’t see any other way in which a close contact could be identified.