Granny Danger Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 If there is a Hard/ish Brexit at the end of 2020 it could well impact on the Irish border once again. In that event the US Congress will make any sort of trade deal very difficult for whoever occupies the White House. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Malky3 said: BTW - the future of the NHS in Scotland is just as questionable. If Scotland was to become Independent we too would be looking for a trade deal with the US, whilst also looking to cut our public spending by £12.6Bn per annum. The total budget for the Scottish NHS currently is just over £14Bn per annum. Hi Malky, Please provide evidence that supports your view that an independent Scotland would need to cut public spending by £12.6bn. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Ours is separately managed but not immune from defunding in rUK via Barnett funding. "defunding" what kind of pish language is that.... The Scottish NHS budget has increased year on year regardless of government since devolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Ross. said: Hi Malky, Please provide evidence that supports your view that an independent Scotland would need to cut public spending by £12.6bn. Thanks. How about the word of our First Minister. She said it two years ago when the GERs Report showed a slightly higher deficit but here's what she said https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/23/independent-scotland-would-need-to-cut-deficit-says-sturgeon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Malky3 said: How about the word of our First Minister. She said it two years ago when the GERs Report showed a slightly higher deficit but here's what she said https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/23/independent-scotland-would-need-to-cut-deficit-says-sturgeon Hi Malky, Where in that article does it mention needing to cut spending by £12.6b? Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ross. said: Hi Malky, Where in that article does it mention needing to cut spending by £12.6b? Thanks. The deficit was higher so £12.6Bn wasn't the relevant figure. She is clear though. The deficit would need to be reduced which means real cuts, higher taxation and a much tougher economic environment than we currently enjoy. Better together as always. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Malky3 said: The deficit was higher so £12.6Bn wasn't the relevant figure. She is clear though. The deficit would need to be reduced which means real cuts, higher taxation and a much tougher economic environment than we currently enjoy. Better together as always. Yep. Because that 12.6bn deficit figure magically doesn't exist as part of the UK.... even although it does, as we wouldn't be talking about it otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Malky3 said: The deficit was higher so £12.6Bn wasn't the relevant figure. She is clear though. The deficit would need to be reduced which means real cuts, higher taxation and a much tougher economic environment than we currently enjoy. Better together as always. Hi Malky, Based on the deficit at the time the article was written, which was £13.5b, please show me where the article states that £13.5b of cuts in public spending would be required. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I did Nazi this coming... https://www.metalsucks.net/2019/11/12/member-of-nazi-metal-band-running-for-u-k-parliament-as-brexit-party-candidate/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Yep. Because that 12.6bn deficit figure magically doesn't exist as part of the UK.... even although it does, as we wouldn't be talking about it otherwise. Oh dear! Currently it's a grant through the Barnett Formula. In effect it is Scotland sharing in the wealth and prosperity generated in London, the South East and the East of England. A good new story which means our Scottish Government can afford to spend way more than we raise in revenue. It's only the daft Nationalists who think it's bad news - and that's only cause it shows up the argument for Scottish Independence as one of utter self harm. Fortunately 55% of Scots are not as stupid as the ones on this forum. They saved us last time and they'll continue to save us over and over again like the true national heroes they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ross. said: Hi Malky, Based on the deficit at the time the article was written, which was £13.5b, please show me where the article states that £13.5b of cuts in public spending would be required. Thanks. You are a dull, tiresome troll. Goodbye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Snafu said: Here's the Tory manifesto, will they be true to it? https://vote.conservatives.com/our-priorities/nhs Given how many years the Tories have been in government and the NHS is still on its knees, I doubt much will change. They can remain true to their manifesto and allow for private profit to be increased. A trade deal with the US which means an increase in dependency on US pharma companies for supplies could see increased public spending in the NHS with that increase ending up in the pockets of those companies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Malky3 said: You are a dull, tiresome troll. Goodbye. Hi Malky, Why do you persist in posting figures that cannot be backed up with any real evidence? You provided a link to an article, albeit one that was a few years old, and you cannot show me on that article where it states that £13.5b(Or even £12.6b) worth of cuts to public spending would need to be made in the event of independence. Why even provide that link if you are unable to show us where in the article your claims are backed up? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Oh dear! Currently it's a grant through the Barnett Formula. I stopped reading there. You don't have the faintest clue about what you're talking about. The 'Barnett Formula' is included in the 30bn the Scottish Government gets handed back, after sending 60bn to the UK treasury in taxes. The 12.6bn is part of the UK Governments own borrowing and spending plans. We've been over this Malky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Snafu said: It's not clear what they would do with the likes of the NHS, I've heard nothing since the focus has been mainly about Brexit and what cheeky chappy Boris is up to. All rather distracting away from what really matters. Not going to jump to any conclusions but when you are not getting the full picture it is concerning. Maybe better avoiding popular media and doing some digging might help. Is this what is going to happen and have the Tories mentioned this to any media yet? It seems a bit late to drop a bomb like that one month away from the election and surely that would be a matter for debate right now if so? Here's the Tory manifesto, will they be true to it? https://vote.conservatives.com/our-priorities/nhs Given how many years the Tories have been in government and the NHS is still on its knees, I doubt much will change. The NHS is a money pit - especially the way it is run now. I know a buyer who works for the NHS who got a wee junket around Scotland visiting hospitals and surgeons to watch them perform operations. Petrol, hotel stays, meals, drinks all fully covered ofcourse. What was it for? Well she wanted to see for herself which surgical implements were best value for money. She, by the way, is not a surgeon, nor medically trained but rather than just phone up a few surgeons and get their opinion she had to see it for herself. There are loads of instances in every hospital of wasted money/ Take staffing in Scotland as another example. When Nicola Sturgeon was Health Minister she imposed a recruitment freeze on the Scottish NHS. This left many nurses graduating from their courses with no NHS jobs to go to so many moved to work abroad or in the private sector. This has meant that ever since the NHS in Scotland has had to rely heavily on agency staff to keep hospitals operational. These agencies, ofcourse, are in the private sector and they charge a hell of a lot more per hour for staff than the NHS pay their own employees. I could cite the lack of energy efficiencies in hospitals, or the expensive way they handle waste management and cleansing services amongst many other shortfalls within the NHS but the electorate continue to believe that the only important thing to do with the NHS is to keep throwing loads and loads of money at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 NHS in Scotland could face £1.8bn shortfall without reform, says watchdog https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50152133 https://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/uploads/docs/report/2018/nr_181025_nhs_overview.pdf https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/nhs-spending-inadequate-in-scotland-says-public-spending-watchdog So why have the Scottish government allowed this to happen? What, run the best NHS in the uk that "could" face a shortfall five years from now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ross. said: They can remain true to their manifesto and allow for private profit to be increased. A trade deal with the US which means an increase in dependency on US pharma companies for supplies could see increased public spending in the NHS with that increase ending up in the pockets of those companies. Any proof that the Tories have done a trade deal like that? Any proof that a Labour administration wouldn't have do the same to get a trade deal done? Hopefully you can back up your claims with actual evidence since you keep demanding that from others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, Malky3 said: Any proof that the Tories have done a trade deal like that? Any proof that a Labour administration wouldn't have do the same to get a trade deal done? Hopefully you can back up your claims with actual evidence since you keep demanding that from others. Hi Malky, Please show where I claimed they had done a trade deal in this way? Please show where I denied a Labour administration wouldn't do the same. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, Baxter Parp said: 4 minutes ago, Snafu said: NHS in Scotland could face £1.8bn shortfall without reform, says watchdog https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50152133 https://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/uploads/docs/report/2018/nr_181025_nhs_overview.pdf https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/nhs-spending-inadequate-in-scotland-says-public-spending-watchdog So why have the Scottish government allowed this to happen? What, run the best NHS in the uk that "could" face a shortfall five years from now? "the best" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Snafu said: So why have the Scottish government allowed this to happen? Have they? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/15/brexit-could-cost-scottish-economy-report-nicola-sturgeon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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