sjc Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: They are sharing the black box with the Ukrainians FWIW, just not with Boeing or the US. I'm sure the Kenyans did the same (withheld the BB from Boeing and the US) after their 747max came down last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Lofarl said: Trumps a big shitebag imo. Big Jessie. You say this like backing out of a war with Iran is a bad thing?! 22 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: President Bonespur has had a wee glimpse at what war with Iran would look like and shat his pants. American's top general said last year he would need a million troops to invade Iran. America doesn't quite have a million people in their entired armed forces worldwide Army Navy Air Force everything. They also modelled what an invasion of Iran would look like and reckon they would lose twenty thousand troops in the first 48 hours. Trump I think was played by the hawks into making a stupid and rash decision, and was handed a massive dose of reality causing him to back down immediately. War with Iran would be a disaster on an almost unimaginable scale, would definitely immediately become a much wider regional conflict and incur costs and losses beyond most peoples's comprehension. I think the DNC pushing the distraction from their own failings in Russiagate and Ukrainegate united him with the hawks and they've played him ever since. The financial cost of a war with Iran matters not a jot to the Military industrial complex, financial institutions or Politicians. US debt is currently $21T and rising fast with QE in overdrive since September last year. As Major General Smedley Butler said, war is a racket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, MixuFixit said: He had the right ideas but publishing that like a year before Hitler rose to power rather subtracted from his impact. True.......funded by Wall Street no less. The fact that Congress suppressed the evidence he provided in his testimony at the inquest into the Banking Coup speaks volumes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: President Bonespur has had a wee glimpse at what war with Iran would look like and shat his pants. American's top general said last year he would need a million troops to invade Iran. America doesn't quite have a million people in their entired armed forces worldwide Army Navy Air Force everything. They also modelled what an invasion of Iran would look like and reckon they would lose twenty thousand troops in the first 48 hours. Trump I think was played by the hawks into making a stupid and rash decision, and was handed a massive dose of reality causing him to back down immediately. War with Iran would be a disaster on an almost unimaginable scale, would definitely immediately become a much wider regional conflict and incur costs and losses beyond most peoples's comprehension. That intrigued me so I googled it and apparently the US has 1.3 million active military personnel with 800,000 reserves. Daft Donnie lives on his massive ego so I think he was talked out of retaliation after the Iranian missile attack. The USA took out the top Iranian general and others, the Iranian response was to loose 15 missiles yet no American casualties?? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark............................................................... Iran lost over a million men in the 1982 Iran/Iraq war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: President Bonespur has had a wee glimpse at what war with Iran would look like and shat his pants. American's top general said last year he would need a million troops to invade Iran. America doesn't quite have a million people in their entired armed forces worldwide Army Navy Air Force everything. They also modelled what an invasion of Iran would look like and reckon they would lose twenty thousand troops in the first 48 hours. Trump I think was played by the hawks into making a stupid and rash decision, and was handed a massive dose of reality causing him to back down immediately. War with Iran would be a disaster on an almost unimaginable scale, would definitely immediately become a much wider regional conflict and incur costs and losses beyond most peoples's comprehension. Utter nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammyton Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Yankieland would bomb the hell out of Iran without putting too many troops on the ground. Ground troops would not be required for this type of war. Iran would be on its knees within a week, satellite and guided missiles is the way of wars now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: President Bonespur has had a wee glimpse at what war with Iran would look like and shat his pants. American's top general said last year he would need a million troops to invade Iran. America doesn't quite have a million people in their entired armed forces worldwide Army Navy Air Force everything. They also modelled what an invasion of Iran would look like and reckon they would lose twenty thousand troops in the first 48 hours. Trump I think was played by the hawks into making a stupid and rash decision, and was handed a massive dose of reality causing him to back down immediately. War with Iran would be a disaster on an almost unimaginable scale, would definitely immediately become a much wider regional conflict and incur costs and losses beyond most peoples's comprehension. Absolute pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: If they're over the handbag phase now, maybe Trump could do the UK a favour and help secure the release of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. If they're not going to extradite the car murderess, they're hardly going to burst a gut to get a dusky coloured alleged "government toppler" released, even if it was the Iranian government she was plotting to topple. Edited January 9, 2020 by Jacksgranda sllepnig & grandma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 US media now reporting the plane was shot down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammyton Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: US media now reporting the plane was shot down. Who would have guessed that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hammyton said: Yankieland would bomb the hell out of Iran without putting too many troops on the ground. Ground troops would not be required for this type of war. Iran would be on its knees within a week, satellite and guided missiles is the way of wars now. That's not true though is it? Once the bombing has been done you can't leave a vacuum. Unless the intention is to wipe Iran off the face of the earth along with all its citizens. This is the sort of simplistic thinking that preceded "shock and awe". We are still trying to work out the best way to get Iraq up and running as a functioning society and in the meantime we've seen ISIS and the cost of dealing with that in lives and dollars. That's the result of not planning further than the aerial assault and an assumption that having bombed the shite out of a place they'd welcome you in to tell them how to live their lives whilst stripping their assets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hammyton said: Who would have guessed that. Would be a remarkable coincidence if it wasn't linked in some way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: US media now reporting the plane was shot down. It was an accident. They didn't mean to shoot it down A big boy did it then ran away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Hammyton said: Yankieland would bomb the hell out of Iran without putting too many troops on the ground. Ground troops would not be required for this type of war. Iran would be on its knees within a week, satellite and guided missiles is the way of wars now. Serbia kept most of its military infrastructure intact by doing things like hiding their tanks under bridges after weeks of bombardment. Iran has had a lot of time to prepare, and isn't the flat desert where most of the Iraq war was fought. And the US has convenient bases for serious and easy attack by Iran, like Bahrain. All Saddam had was Scuds whose targeting was based on falling when they ran out of fuel. They couldn't beat North Vietnam after a decade of continuous bombardment along with ground troops. It would be hugely damaging for Iran, but also America who have no intention of raising half a million troops to create the mess they did in Iraq. 2 or three of US ships getting sunk in Bahrain, Kuwait or the Gulf will see Trump begging the UN to sort out a cease fire. And more importantly lose his election, so it won't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 A few suicide bomber types in fast small boats to blow up a few tankers to block the straights of homuz ....job done 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammyton Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Serbia kept most of its military infrastructure intact by doing things like hiding their tanks under bridges after weeks of bombardment. Iran has had a lot of time to prepare, and isn't the flat desert where most of the Iraq war was fought. And the US has convenient bases for serious and easy attack by Iran, like Bahrain. All Saddam had was Scuds whose targeting was based on falling when they ran out of fuel. They couldn't beat North Vietnam after a decade of continuous bombardment along with ground troops. It would be hugely damaging for Iran, but also America who have no intention of raising half a million troops to create the mess they did in Iraq. 2 or three of US ships getting sunk in Bahrain, Kuwait or the Gulf will see Trump begging the UN to sort out a cease fire. And more importantly lose his election, so it won't happen. America would destroy them very quickly. North Vietnam was very much a different time. Technology wins wars now. They would bomb the hell out of them, put their Patsy in place and leave them to get on with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hammyton said: America would destroy them very quickly. North Vietnam was very much a different time. Technology wins wars now. They would bomb the hell out of them, put their Patsy in place and leave them to get on with it. And leave them in power with a more united population and most of their military capabilities intact. Unless you're suggesting nuclear? The American arms industry has being promising easy clean solutions that don't exist for ever, in returns for trillions. Saddam was still in power until they marched into Baghdad and fucked everything up. They're still there now, 17 years later. And having the ability to punch someone hard isn't that useful if you can't stop them punching back, which they've been proven incapable of. Edited January 9, 2020 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hammyton said: America would destroy them very quickly. North Vietnam was very much a different time. Technology wins wars now. They would bomb the hell out of them, put their Patsy in place and leave them to get on with it. Bomb what? They bombed literally every single building in North Korea and still didn't win the war. You can't win wars with bombs. And the western public need their bombing campaigns framed in nonsense about surgical strikes and guidance systems these days, start proper carpet bombing and the entire illusion of the global policeman is finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Not sure if this is faked or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The World must stop Iran building a nuclear bomb cause there going to end up wiping themselves out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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