ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: This could work (contact tracing) along with mass testing, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence at all that the government are preparing for this. (I don't count them saying it as evidence btw) They couldn't contact me if I gave them my phone number. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: At the end of Jan start of Feb my uncle died of pneumonia. He was in a care home and was struggling with dementia and a hip problem. He also had copd. Didnt think much of it but then at work four other people all lost their parents due to similar issues. Probably just the flu season but it was the biggest amount of people off work at the same time through bereavement that I've ever seen. There was an outbreak in Seattle as well but i think this was identified as normal flu. You would think that there must be some way of tracing it but it's so widespread now. Wonder if you can tell if it's a euro version or Asian. I have no idea about this stuff. My Dad died first week of Feb with symptoms very similar to covid. They made my Mum and I wear gowns, face masks and rubber gloves to go in and see him. I thought this was very odd as they’d already told us he wasn’t going to live any longer than a day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: On 16/04/2020 at 18:04, Granny Danger said: Fewer than 100 full planes yes. I’m guessing (and it’s no more than a guess) that the capacity on individual flights will be well down at the moment. I wouldn’t go on a plane at the moment for any reason. I know some folk MUST but 105,000 a week cannot all be essential travel. Will some of these not be those who had problems getting back from various countries due to flights being cancelled? Apparently still 65,000 Britons still trying to get home. So some of the them yes but not 15,000 every day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: At the end of Jan start of Feb my uncle died of pneumonia. He was in a care home and was struggling with dementia and a hip problem. He also had copd. Didnt think much of it but then at work four other people all lost their parents due to similar issues. Probably just the flu season but it was the biggest amount of people off work at the same time through bereavement that I've ever seen. There was an outbreak in Seattle as well but i think this was identified as normal flu. You would think that there must be some way of tracing it but it's so widespread now. Wonder if you can tell if it's a euro version or Asian. I have no idea about this stuff. There are claims that the New York outbreak was initiated by Europeans, not Chinese, so there must be some way of telling them apart.(i imagine) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: There are claims that the New York outbreak was initiated by Europeans, not Chinese, so there must be some way of telling them apart.(i imagine) They're talking about Covid19 being mainly brought over by Italians, Brits, Spanish etc, not old men in Scotland dying from pneumonia in the winter with multiple underlying conditions. Happened to my Dad too as it happens a couple of years ago, used to be referred to as the old man's friend when they'd been through enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1251190517142114304 Has this been posted yet? Cuomo telling it to Trump. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Gaz said: "Craig, do you know anything about viruses?" "I went to Lithuania to look at this Covid Virus but he wasn't wearing No 19..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 They have started antibody testing in Santa Clara county. It looks like there is somewhere between 50- and 80-fold more infections than the known number of cases. It drops the death rate significantly to around 0.1%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1251190517142114304 Has this been posted yet? Cuomo telling it to Trump. Fake news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: They have started antibody testing in Santa Clara county. It looks like there is somewhere between 50- and 80-fold more infections than the known number of cases. It drops the death rate significantly to around 0.1%. If that were the case we'd only need 1 wave here and Sweden must be killing extra just to be sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/world/europe/coronavirus-antibody-test-uk.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1sV0AAR7db72niM8o7Z7lBtFGgFM1ItZ2Xak2Uezx7OOEGEfZVurOBxRc uk paid $20M for defective antibody test Edited April 17, 2020 by D.A.F.C 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Fake news You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, PauloPerth said: I didn't say we've been played, not really sure what you're on about there? I said we've been poor at tallying and reporting deaths in the uk and in Scotland. The uk had its first death on March 5th, Scotland on 13th March. This was months after we knew the virus was headed our way so could have set up appropriate reporting and monitoring mechanisms. And yet, somehow, it's as if our authorities completely forgot about the most vulnerable and at risk members of our society, to the point that we only started hearing about deaths in care homes in the past week or so. You completely missed the point; that if an advanced country like us have struggled to tally and report it accurately, then in poorer countries with less developed communication networks, the figures could well be miles away from what we're hearing. In, poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down. Tbf to the useless toerags of a Westmister government, it wasn't quite months when they sat there with their fingers up their bottoms. However it was long enough so that when they did finally realise that a sh*tstorm had arrived, panic mode ensued, so I'm not surprised at variations in the accuracy of reporting mechanisms...., at first. What I do find almost unbelievable, incredulous really......., is that all these weeks into this...., the government almost seems to have just discovered that care homes exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, ayrmad said: If that were the case we'd only need 1 wave here and Sweden must be killing extra just to be sure. If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15% For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15% For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12% Yes, 1 wave, ain't happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. you only have to look at those gun-toting p***ks in michigan to understand why - they're not even responsible for themselves, let alone being sufficiently aware to understand the concept of anyone else being accountable for anything, unless they're muslim of course... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Yes, 1 wave, ain't happening. Why not? Let's for a moment assume that the research proves accurate, and is replicated globally. For the UK that would mean 9,238,820 people have been infected, or roughly 1/6th of the population. Any future waves would have to come from less and less viable hosts, meaning they would be less and less severe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Why not? Let's for a moment assume that the research proves accurate, and is replicated globally. For the UK that would mean 9,238,820 people have been infected, or roughly 1/6th of the population. Any future waves would have to come from less and less viable hosts, meaning they would be less and less severe I'm just going off the simple 1 in 1000 death rate, this wave will kill between 30/40k in UK, that's taking us up near the 60% threshold, all governments can't be that lucky that their lockdown measure coincided with the magical 60%, I just don't believe that sort of luck happens in such matters too often, Sweden will already have almost their entire population covered with those numbers, it would be more of a possibility if Sweden hadn't taken quite a few of the measures like the rest of us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Tbh I think the fuckup here was not shelling out 20mil on these (chump change to the UK government) but saying ahead of time how great they'd be to raise hopes. Buying them, testing them and finding they were no good was a risk worth taking imo. 6 bucks for a 6 cent swab, we look a bit amateur at this shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight minge Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 In, poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down. Tbf to the useless toerags of a Westmister government, it wasn't quite months when they sat there with their fingers up their bottoms. However it was long enough so that when they did finally realise that a sh*tstorm had arrived, panic mode ensued, so I'm not surprised at variations in the accuracy of reporting mechanisms...., at first. What I do find almost unbelievable, incredulous really......., is that all these weeks into this...., the government almost seems to have just discovered that care homes exist. The government were aware on the 24th January and in an interview (Patel), stated they were preparing and had all in hand. The epidemiologist who have been listened to of late were warning before the 24th and being roundly ignored.Clearly at that point they weren’t taking this serious and just placating.The WHO first announced the existence circa 2nd January (in fairness, only a handful of countries took action, but also declared it an international emergency on the 30th January.Complacency and an ‘out of sight, out of mind attitude’ has aided the development. I would say it’s fair the say ‘months’.That can be considered a little unfair, but you would hope at government level they would truly weigh up these things especially if they are going to release public statements to say they are taking action and prepared.Many poor countries (vastly populated), have big enough international air networks to cause issues (India, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, etc) and the lower figures are as more to do with non existent health care capabilities and reporting and thus being widely ignored.The above countries have definitely got considerably more deaths and infections than being reported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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