Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[craigkillie]

8 minutes ago, Paco said:

To get to Phase 2, we need new cases to show a ‘sustained’ decline. I would say three weeks between review dates is ‘sustained’.

 

Kids are only allowed back to school in Phase 3, however, so clearly current SG expectations are that we’ll be there in early August. This would also allow ‘limited’ crowds in for events, albeit whether dozens of football matches are allowed to let crowds in at that stage and what a restricted crowd looks like is up for debate.

 

Two months really to get through Phase 1 and Phase 2. I don’t see the SG rushing in any way, and that also takes us up to the end of furlough in its current guise.

 

You're surely not saying that they're able to predict things and look into the future rather than remaining paralysed and making no decisions while we're still in Phase 1?

Based on what I read elsewhere on this thread I thought the Scottish Government would just have said to schools "We can't at this stage provide any indication of when we will move into Phase Two and therefore we can provide no date for the return to schools", rather than telling them they should prepare to return on 11th August.

[pozbaird]

3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

England, their England.
 

Photo from the weekly meeting of the Joint Biosecurity Unit to set the week’s threat level.

 

[Todd_is_God]

Perhaps noteable that 1.9% of tests being positive is the lowest on record since the 8th of March

[Steven W]

8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Perhaps noteable that 1.9% of tests being positive is the lowest on record since the 8th of March

I wonder if we'll see an uptick in infections (and tests carried out) now that's it's simply open to anyone displaying symptoms? And if we do what the public's (and SG's) reaction would be to that.

I walk past a test centre near enough every day. Other than the first day, it's always been very quiet. A bit of me thought it would be busier today, but just as quiet as ever.

[Todd_is_God]

26 minutes ago, Steven W said:

I wonder if we'll see an uptick in infections (and tests carried out) now that's it's simply open to anyone displaying symptoms? And if we do what the public's (and SG's) reaction would be to that.

I walk past a test centre near enough every day. Other than the first day, it's always been very quiet. A bit of me thought it would be busier today, but just as quiet as ever.

Maybe.

However at the same time the SG have estimates of how many cases their actually are per week. It's miles above the number of confirmed cases.

Providing hospital admissions keep coming down I'm not sure they would be overly concerned, particularly if the milder cases are being isolated.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

They should obviously have been tested before being discharged from hospital. 
The idea that the Scottish government are completely disconnected from care home deaths is ridiculous. The Guardian have an article about a maximum protection plan for care homes which was rejected by the Department of Health and clearly nothing like that was implemented here either.
Dealing with something slightly better than Westminster doesn't absolve the Scottish government from blame/criticism.

The Covid-19 pandemic has served to hammer home with thousands of corpses just how derelict social care has been for years across the UK, Scotland included. Every winter for about 15 years there have been dire warnings about 'bed blocking' but no c**t in Government was listening - well they are now.
But ask yourselves, how would you have felt if your relative with Covid-19 couldn't have accessed a hospital bed because they were chock full of 98 year-olds ? That's the flip side of the argument and the only certainty was that this has been a disaster long in the making, such has been the social care clusterfuck.

[craigkillie]

2 hours ago, John MacLean said:

We don't know how moving to Phase One will impact on infection rates etc. There will be theoretical models based on best/worse case scenarios backed, perhaps, with what has happened elsewhere but it is unknown territory we are in right now. 

I'm hoping we move from one Phase to the next fairly quickly. I'm hoping that football will return as soon as possible but it is impossible to put a date on anything and it is utterly pointless the SPFL/SFA asking if football can return on August 1st as things stand. 

They still "wasting their time", aye?

 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

[welshbairn]

40 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

The Covid-19 pandemic has served to hammer home with thousands of corpses just how derelict social care has been for years across the UK, Scotland included. Every winter for about 15 years there have been dire warnings about 'bed blocking' but no c**t in Government was listening - well they are now.
But ask yourselves, how would you have felt if your relative with Covid-19 couldn't have accessed a hospital bed because they were chock full of 98 year-olds ? That's the flip side of the argument and the only certainty was that this has been a disaster long in the making, such has been the social care clusterfuck.

There was a fairly political neutral (I think) NHS person on QT last night saying they didn't know as yet whether it was throwing untested bed blockers into care homes that caused the problem, or continuing to allow visitors and no PPE or proper procedures for too long that was more of the cause.

[Detournement]

46 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

The Covid-19 pandemic has served to hammer home with thousands of corpses just how derelict social care has been for years across the UK, Scotland included. Every winter for about 15 years there have been dire warnings about 'bed blocking' but no c**t in Government was listening - well they are now.
But ask yourselves, how would you have felt if your relative with Covid-19 couldn't have accessed a hospital bed because they were chock full of 98 year-olds ? That's the flip side of the argument and the only certainty was that this has been a disaster long in the making, such has been the social care clusterfuck.

I agree but there is definitely a mid point between bed blocking and what happened.

The Guardian had a stat earlier about something like 38% of homes in England had an outbreak but 58% in Scotland. Outcomes seem to massively vary between care home providers and as you say allowing a massively fragmented private system seems to have prevented any coherent response.

 

[D.A.F.C]

FoLlOwInG ThE ScIeNcE

crowds are ok

tests are pointless

r is or isn’t important

comparing deaths to foreign countries isn’t important.

Edited May 29, 2020 by D.A.F.C

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I agree but there is definitely a mid point between bed blocking and what happened.
The Guardian had a stat earlier about something like 38% of homes in England had an outbreak but 58% in Scotland. Outcomes seem to massively vary between care home providers and as you say allowing a massively fragmented private system seems to have prevented any coherent response.
 

The parent company (HC1?) of the Portree care home also runs one 400 yards from my home, and it has also seen a grim total of fatalities; I believe this company has the worst ratio of care home fatalities in the UK. The latest issue of Private Eye lays bare the opaque ownership of the group and does nothing to counter the word locally here that bare minimum outlay helps fund ROI for the owners and investors. We need to get this sector under public oversight pronto.

[welshbairn]

Zero mention of Cummings today on the Downing Street update show. Is that it?

[Wee Willie]

1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

The Covid-19 pandemic has served to hammer home with thousands of corpses just how derelict social care has been for years across the UK, Scotland included. Every winter for about 15 years there have been dire warnings about 'bed blocking' but no c**t in Government was listening - well they are now.
But ask yourselves, how would you have felt if your relative with Covid-19 couldn't have accessed a hospital bed because they were chock full of 98 year-olds ? That's the flip side of the argument and the only certainty was that this has been a disaster long in the making, such has been the social care clusterfuck.

But ask yourselves, how would you have felt if your relative with Covid-19 couldn't have accessed a hospital bed because they were chock full of Charlie Windsor and his wife and entourage jumping the queue.

[MONKMAN]

Loads of groups of youths bevying in the park today, social distancing was non existent.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Pssst, this is virginton your talking about.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Similar with my dad. Earlier in lockdown he was talking up Johnston' s briefings because even Tony Blair had backed him (missed this myself in the Blair interview, but just let it lie for harmony)
But now he's absolutely fucking furious that Cummings did what he did, as he's basically been shutting himself indoors alone (as he should) for 10 weeks, but when I mentioned I wanted to listen to NS's briefing yesterday he got the full nippy sweetie chat out. He doesn't even read a paper and the BBC weather app on his phone is beyond him, so I can only imagine he's come up with this line nof banter independent of (other) right wing nutcases. 
 

My Mum is slightly better - she is is no Nipppy fan but reckons that NS is a thousand times better than Boris after this week.

She'll still vote No in any referendum though.

[vikingTON]

47 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Zero mention of Cummings today on the Downing Street update show. Is that it?

Well, yes. Anyone who seriously thought that this would amount to anything probably had a £100 on the Mumbleclown to be PM a few months ago as well.

If the UK government was heading into an election then they'd have likely ditched him. As they have a healthy majority and aren't going to the polls until 2024 they can bet that almost nobody will still give a toss about this incident when the public delivers that verdict. And they'd be right to do so.

[vikingTON]

20 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Loads of groups of youths bevying in the park today, social distancing was non existent.

Did you grass them in like your fellow curtain twitching old timer philpy?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I think by Aug most businesses will be open again. The only line of work I think furlough beyond Aug will be needed for is the events industry (my work). The other ones that people were concerned about (pubs/restaurants/hairdressers) will be open again by then 

Some could not even wait that long - Debenhams laid off around 2000 staff today in their restaurants, travel money and personal shopping departments. 25 jobs gone in Dundee - thankfully my wife hasn't worked in the restaurant in a long time - her job is one of the safer ones in Click & Collect.