DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Being cautious about coming out of lockdown is all well and good, and I agree with being cautious, but is the problem for the devolved governments not going to be maintaining lockdown while the furlough payments reduce? Or are we not going to be in lockdown when they start to reduce? If people are only going to be getting 60% of their wages they'll go back to work, lockdown or no lockdown.The economic support available is bound to influence any decisions by the devolved governments - you would think that by the end of July they would be into phase 3 - or at least ready to start it.It's those phase 4 businesses - in the leisure and entertainment sector - that will be the big concern - I don't even think they will be open in England at that point. I would not be surprised if there are industry specific economic measures put in place for those sectors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, bendan said: Does it really take hindsight to say that shutting down the economy for a few months might have serious consequences? Or that stopping various activities (without having a full lockdown) earlier in March might have been a good idea? The SPFL suspended its competition before the government banned large gatherings. If Neil Doncaster can see something's a good idea, if must be pretty f****** obvious. I think that was to get Hearts relegated demoted expelled, tbqh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Be deliberately obtuse if you want. Other posters will see it for what it is. I'm more than happy for people to point out / have a chuckle about anything I got wrong. When you have opinions about things that happens. You should try it sometime rather than just posting filler waffle. Over the piece I feel i have been right a fair bit more than i've been wrong. It's not a contest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, renton said: I don't think that compliance to Scot Gov lockdown measures amongst the unionist portion of the populace would be enhanced by such an inflammatory action which would be therefore self defeating. With less restrictions than down South that becomes moot. Not a chance they would not do something they were allowed to do because those down South couldn't do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: This is what I wrote - For example - SNP say no to Trident in Scottish waters but unionists support it being in Scotland. In your opinion what would be a 'reasonable middle ground' ? You support Morton but if there is a nuclear accident at Faslane then it's Greenock no more. And you say my post is waffle? And there is eff-all wrong with that (in my opinion) It's imperative that Scotland gets out of this madhouse. Exactly! Willie, VT is only on this site to be an arsehole & post tired old pictures of Ainsley Harriot. You will not beat him as he is always right in his tiny little mind. I suspect that we will not agree about certain things but best not to waste your time here, thanks for playing champ etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The economic support available is bound to influence any decisions by the devolved governments - you would think that by the end of July they would be into phase 3 - or at least ready to start it. It's those phase 4 businesses - in the leisure and entertainment sector - that will be the big concern - I don't even think they will be open in England at that point. I would not be surprised if there are industry specific economic measures put in place for those sectors. There are no 'Phase 4 businesses.' Phase 4 is more about rolling back any remaining restrictions (e.g. capacity / additional hygiene) than any sectors opening back up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Being cautious about coming out of lockdown is all well and good, and I agree with being cautious, but is the problem for the devolved governments not going to be maintaining lockdown while the furlough payments reduce? Or are we not going to be in lockdown when they start to reduce? If people are only going to be getting 60% of their wages they'll go back to work, lockdown or no lockdown. They won't have jobs to go back to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Being cautious about coming out of lockdown is all well and good, and I agree with being cautious, but is the problem for the devolved governments not going to be maintaining lockdown while the furlough payments reduce? Or are we not going to be in lockdown when they start to reduce? If people are only going to be getting 60% of their wages they'll go back to work, lockdown or no lockdown.Scottish schools are aiming to reopen to kids on August 11th. They can’t go back until Phase 3 here, and Phase 3 effectively has everyone back at work albeit still with social distancing measures in place. I’m quite sure that isn’t a coincidence. We expect, or are aiming, to be fully open when the furlough scheme begins to taper out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crùbag Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Not surprising that Yes seems to be establishing a 'new normal' lead in the polls. Boris' shambolic handling of the Covid crisis is pushing more folk our way. But... the east of Fife and Aberdeenshire?! No surprise with the Borders and those areas replete with wealthy gammon types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 28/05/2020 at 17:30, Jacksgranda said: Sent an e-mail off to Gregory Campbell and Colum Eastwood re Dominic Cummings. No reply yet from G Campbell, MP. Not even an acknowledgement. I'm beggining to think he doesn't think Cummings - and the government - haven't done anything wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The economic support available is bound to influence any decisions by the devolved governments - you would think that by the end of July they would be into phase 3 - or at least ready to start it. It's those phase 4 businesses - in the leisure and entertainment sector - that will be the big concern - I don't even think they will be open in England at that point. I would not be surprised if there are industry specific economic measures put in place for those sectors. That's a big part of NI economy. This summer's a write off, I can see our economy being totally wrecked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Paco said: Scottish schools are aiming to reopen to kids on August 11th. They can’t go back until Phase 3 here, and Phase 3 effectively has everyone back at work albeit still with social distancing measures in place. I’m quite sure that isn’t a coincidence. We expect, or are aiming, to be fully open when the furlough scheme begins to taper out. To say Scottish schools are aiming to reopen to kids on August 11th is a touch disingenuous. Yes they should be open, but it's looking like a pathetic 2 day week for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) I was in a restaurant last night and about half the customers wore masks as they came in as instructed by a sign on the door. (including our company) Obviously they removed them after their food arrived. The waitress was masked all the time. Some old twats were still kissing and shaking hands though. Old, stupid and French... it's where it's at... Second wave incoming? Edited June 7, 2020 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Crùbag said: Not surprising that Yes seems to be establishing a 'new normal' lead in the polls. Boris' shambolic handling of the Covid crisis is pushing more folk our way. But... the east of Fife and Aberdeenshire?! No surprise with the Borders and those areas replete with wealthy gammon types. Bit surprised by the far North. Is that Edinburgh that's the only purple gammon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 hours ago, virginton said: The outbreak became far too widespread and well-entrenched for suppression to be a credible strategy in the UK some time ago. The specific goal when a three week lockdown was announced was to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. That's not going to happen any time soon but the SG has since shifted the goalposts to 'keeping R well below 1': an aim that few would have signed up for if all the medium term disruption to do so had been spelled out in March. Given the difficulty and enormous personal, societal and fiscal costs involved in suppression we should now be willing to accept a linear infection curve while opening things up from this point on. Very easy for someone posting anonymously on a football forum to state but a very different matter for a politician to be seen to make a decision where, by your own admission, that decision will cause some people to lose their life that was preventable. I fully understand how difficult a decision that must be for any human being to make and it's not in NS nature going by everything we have seen so far. BJ is now openly admitting it's no longer a public health driver, it's economic unfortunately our FM does not have the financial tools at her disposal to make that sort of decision even if she wanted too so an end to financial support by the UK govt will dictate ultimately what happens here. Excellent post 49 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Being cautious about coming out of lockdown is all well and good, and I agree with being cautious, but is the problem for the devolved governments not going to be maintaining lockdown while the furlough payments reduce? Or are we not going to be in lockdown when they start to reduce? If people are only going to be getting 60% of their wages they'll go back to work, lockdown or no lockdown. And that is why I want an independent Scotland no relying on Westminster slackening the purse strings. 30 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said: Willie, VT is only on this site to be an arsehole & post tired old pictures of Ainsley Harriot. You will not beat him as he is always right in his tiny little mind. I suspect that we will not agree about certain things but best not to waste your time here, thanks for playing champ etc. I take note of your advice but I still maintain that onybody who votes for Independence cannae be bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm more than happy for people to point out / have a chuckle about anything I got wrong. When you have opinions about things that happens. You should try it sometime rather than just posting filler waffle. Over the piece I feel i have been right a fair bit more than i've been wrong. It's not a contest. Totally disingenuous post. You’ve not been more right than wrong, you’ve been critical of things not happening that you never suggested at the time should happen. One of the positives of COVID-19 being over is not needing to read any more of your pish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Steven W said: To say Scottish schools are aiming to reopen to kids on August 11th is a touch disingenuous. Yes they should be open, but it's looking like a pathetic 2 day week for them. No, schools will be open five days a week but to adhere to social distancing there isn’t the space or the staff to do anythjng other than group kids and have them in part time. There are 60 in my sons primary year group, two classes 30. They simply can’t accommodate them all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 There are no 'Phase 4 businesses.' Phase 4 is more about rolling back any remaining restrictions (e.g. capacity / additional hygiene) than any sectors opening back up.I meant them being full open indoors without restrictions - it may not be viable for many of these businesses to open until all restrictions are lifted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: No reply yet from G Campbell, MP. Not even an acknowledgement. I'm beggining to think he doesn't think Cummings - and the government - haven't done anything wrong. That's a poor show from an MP. Certainly looks like Cumming is back to his pre-road trip role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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