dirty dingus Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) FFS she's a Wid, give her some breathing room (preferably with a mask on) Edit- she's a wid not as she tries to mobilise the gammons to take on the crack commandoes of the covid inspectors. @KateShemirani · Sep 9 Just in time for the 19th at Trafalgar Sq. let’s see what the Veterans , the Serving military , the Doormen, The men, The People... think of that one. Bring it on Civilians in Uniform. Edited September 11, 2020 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Surely the government who are monitoring us would rather we not wear masks to make it easier to track? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 FFS she's a Wid, give her some breathing room (preferably with a mask on) Edit- she's a wid not as she tries to mobilise the gammons to take on the crack commandoes of the covid inspectors. @KateShemirani · Sep 9 Just in time for the 19th at Trafalgar Sq. let’s see what the Veterans , the Serving military , the Doormen, The men, ... think of that one. Bring it on Civilians in Uniform. Shirley she means ra peepul? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 16,000 people in attendance at the NFL last night 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, bernardblack said: 16,000 people in attendance at the NFL last night Caught a little of Lens v PSG last night. A fair sized crowd at that. A lot more than 300 anyway..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Interesting article here: preprint, so not peer reviewed yet. Though the authors are hardly quacks. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.20185876v1.full.pdf+html You can preview the pdf to read the full paper. Basically they use a different type of modelling technique to quickly examine many different outcomes. Their central thesis is that traditional epidemiological models imply far too much homogeneity across the four usual categories (Susceptible, Exposed, Infected Recovered) and that even small heterogenities in categories creates different outcomes (i.e. not all infected transmit at the same rate for example) In their conclusions they note that effective herd immunity is possible with a far smaller percentage of the population than might previously be thought, and that the key to pushing down virus transmission so that the second wave geenrates far fewer cases and deaths is primarily in an efficient track and trace system. One for @Todd_is_God Edited September 11, 2020 by renton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, bernardblack said: 16,000 people in attendance at the NFL last night 13,000 at the University of Miami game in a 65,000 seater stadium last night too -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, renton said: Interesting article here: preprint, so not peer reviewed yet. Though the authors are hardly quacks. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.20185876v1.full.pdf+html You can preview the pdf to read the full paper. Basically they use a different type of modelling technique to quickly examine many different outcomes. Their central thesis is that traditional epidemiological models imply far too much homogeneity across the four usual categories (Susceptible, Exposed, Infected Recovered) and that even small heterogenities in categories creates different outcomes (i.e. not all infected transmit at the same rate for example) In their conclusions they note that effective herd immunity is possible with a far smaller percentage of the population than might previously be thought, and that the key to pushing down virus transmission so that the second wave geenrates far fewer cases and deaths is primarily in an efficient track and trace system. One for @Todd_is_God Backs up the strategy of social distancing and whack-a-mole local lockdowns. Quote The recurrent theme above is the danger of committing to one particular model or conception of the epidemiological process. In other fields—dealing with population dynamics—Bayesian model comparison is used to identify the best structure and parameterisation of models28-30 known as structure learning31,32. Figure 5 offers an example of Bayesian model comparison in epidemiology, evincing very strong evidence for heterogeneity in responses to viral infection—and a synergistic role for social distancing and herd immunity. Identifying the right epidemiological model has considerable public health and economic implications. While SARSCo-V2 may not be eradicated, model selection suggests that any second wave will be much smaller than other models have projected, and the virus will become endemic rather than epidemic. The size of a second wave may depend sensitively on the efficacy of FTTIS programmes and the rate of loss of immunity. Recent evidence suggests T-cell immunity may be more important for longer term immunity with circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells identified in 70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively25. Furthermore, 90% of people who seroconvert make detectible neutralizing antibody responses that are stable for at least 3 months56. If the above dynamic causal model is broadly correct, future national lockdowns may be unnecessary. As an endemic and potentially fatal virus, especially in elderly people and those with underlying conditions, attention to the details of FTTIS and shielding becomes all the more important. This emphasises the need for clear criteria for when and how to implement local lockdowns in ‘hotspot’ areas. In summary, lockdown and social distancing have undoubtedly restricted the transmission of the virus. Model comparison suggests that these approaches remain an essential component of pandemic control, particularly at current levels of infections in the UK. However, extending the notion of ‘herd immunity’—to include seronegative individuals with lower susceptibility and/or lower risk of transmission—engenders an immune subpopulation that can change over time and country. The implicit immunity may reduce mortality and lower the risk of a second wave to a greater extent than predicted under many epidemiological models. On this view, herd immunity subsumes people who are not susceptible to infection or, if they are, are unlikely to be infectious or seroconvert; noting that SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T-cell responses without seroconversion. This reconciles the apparent disparity between reports of new cases, mortality rates and the low seroprevalence observed empirically. Crucially, Bayesian model comparison confirms that there is very strong evidence for the heterogeneity that underwrites this kind of herd immunity. Put simply, an effective herd immunity—that works hand-in-hand appropriate public health and local lockdown measures—requires less than 20% seroprevalence. This seroprevalence has already been reached in many countries and is sufficient to preclude a traumatic second wave, even under pessimistic assumptions about loss of humoral immunity endowed by antibodies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Just now, welshbairn said: Backs up the strategy of social distancing and whack-a-mole local lockdowns. Indeed. Edited September 11, 2020 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13,000 at the University of Miami game in a 65,000 seater stadium last night tooGiven it's the states I'm stunned the stadiums weren't packed with kiss cam working overtime ! There is ZERO to be learned in a positive way from the response to this in the USA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Boris to address the 1922 committee at 5:30pm. The men in grey suits are reportedly furious about the latest curbs on individual freedom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Bairnardo said: 13 hours ago, WATTOO said: Nothing the SG have announced today is in any way surprising or outrageous, it is in fact exactly what any rational person would have expected, given the current situation with the virus here and how it's behaving throughout Europe. Irrespective of what owners of soft play businesses or failed comedians with Unionist views think, it's all sensible decisions which are being made and exactly in line with the strategies being employed by virtually every Government throughout the World. In a nutshell, if mistakes are being made then every nation across the globe and all their scientific and medical advisers are making the same mistakes but again I'd be more inclined to trust their insight as opposed to some internet no marks with a political agenda. So we should all stop discussing/having views on the biggest crisis of our lifetimes? (Except Sergeant Wilson, auld c**t was at the Somme) No, not as long as they're informed and educated views as opposed to baseless ramblings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, Donathan said: Boris to address the 1922 committee at 5:30pm. The men in grey suits are reportedly furious about the latest curbs on individual freedom I'm sure that some of them are but the wider issue here is that the UK Government has been making sweeping decisions by fiat with barely a passing nod to the Parliament whose beloved sovereignty and control has been 'taken back' from the EU and dumped immediately in the nearest bin. The emergency emergency excuse from March should no longer fly: if Johnson now wants to make gatherings of seven people illegal from Monday then his government should have to debate and pass a bill to do so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, bernardblack said: 16,000 people in attendance at the NFL last night Saw that. Yet we can’t allow fans to go to an Auchinleck Talbot friendly at Irvine. Fcking madness -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Saw that. Yet we can’t allow fans to go to an Auchinleck Talbot friendly at Irvine. Fcking madness The USA are the ones out of step not the other way around. It's a country with a high proportion of morons being run by a madman so maybe not the best example of doing what's best for the general population. Only time will tell of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, WATTOO said: The USA are the ones out of step not the other way around. It's a country with a high proportion of morons being run by a madman so maybe not the best example of doing what's best for the general population. Only time will tell of course. Of course the US has went about covid in a “strange way”, but I say kudos to them for getting a good number of fans back. From the pics I saw social distancing was happening. A few of countries have had fans back in good numbers for a while now, Russia, Holland etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Saw that. Yet we can’t allow fans to go to an Auchinleck Talbot friendly at Irvine. Fcking madness Not as mad as not having all NHS services back up to speed. Need to get things into perspective. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, Billy Jean King said: 14 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Saw that. Yet we can’t allow fans to go to an Auchinleck Talbot friendly at Irvine. Fcking madness Not as mad as not having all NHS services back up to speed. Need to get things into perspective. They could, of course, do both... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Are these additional measures making a jot of difference in Glasgow ? Seems it's not stopping the numbers rising. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, virginton said: I'm sure that some of them are but the wider issue here is that the UK Government has been making sweeping decisions by fiat with barely a passing nod to the Parliament whose beloved sovereignty and control has been 'taken back' from the EU and dumped immediately in the nearest bin. The emergency emergency excuse from March should no longer fly: if Johnson now wants to make gatherings of seven people illegal from Monday then his government should have to debate and pass a bill to do so. Been saying this for months. Absutely no need for emergency powers still to be in place whereby Matt Hancock can basically dictate some mental shit on a Sunday afternoon, and it's law come Monday morning. No oversight, nothing. I get the impression people don't give a f**k about that though, because brexit rah rah we won stop crying remoaner etc etc You have pages upon pages of Facebook conspiracy posts with borderline idiots banging on about government taking our freedoms because etjeyre asking us to wear a bit of cloth over our nose and mouth, meanwhile, in plain sight, the tories are stripping away what's left of our democracy, waving through measures that actually do restrict our freedoms, chuck devolution on the bin, fire the GFA into the sun. But what's concerning is that horrendous revelation that some people have died and it has covid on their DC but maybe they died with covid rather than from it. Edited September 11, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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