Scary Bear Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, The Moonster said: This mutation pish is a complete smokescreen. I really wish we'd stop talking about it. The virus that started in China wasn't the virus that hit the UK or even Italy. It has been mutating from the start, this is nothing new. If it is a more infectious strain then in the short term you need to do better with isolating people, which if we'd used the last 9 months in any sort of efficient manner we might have a track and trace system that was suitable and actually worked, but the long term approach hasn't changed. The vaccine will still work and the scientists working on the vaccine have already said it shouldn't be too much of a ball ache to make a slightly different one if required. It's being used to railroad through tougher restrictions in the new year and it's not going to wash. We're not having the "adult discussion" on this, we're being told something scary is happening so stay home until further notice, but the actual facts of the new strain tell a different, not very scary story. Tend to agree with this. I don’t think we should be shutting everything down again. If the measures - wearing masks, washing hands, social distancing - work then why do we need to shut everything down again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Steven W said: A look at social media this morning is eye watering stuff. Imagine letting the football team you support dictate your thoughts and opinions on a deadly virus that's sweeping the planet.... (Sadly Rangers/Celtic stuff is in every fabric of society. This is why there won't be significant crowds at football in Scotland until such a time as those two can have significant crowds. The grief and ramifications would be too much. Old firm fans make me sick) -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 This new strain - supposedly more transmissible than before. But also no evidence to suggest it'll make people any more I'll than before. I wonder if (trying to be optimistic here) it might in fact prove to be milder than before (ultimately for a virus to survive and multiply it can't afford to be too deadly). Is it possible that in a couple of months this may actually prove to be a positive turn of events? Or am I trying too hard! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, alta-pete said: Ah f**k them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: This new strain - supposedly more transmissible than before. But also no evidence to suggest it'll make people any more I'll than before. I wonder if (trying to be optimistic here) it might in fact prove to be milder than before (ultimately for a virus to survive and multiply it can't afford to be too deadly). Is it possible that in a couple of months this may actually prove to be a positive turn of events? Or am I trying too hard! My cousin is a science guy and he says this too, if it's too nasty it will burn itself out as it runs out of hosts, so a weaker strain that becomes more contagious due to hosts being less ill with it means the more succesful it will be in the charts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, alta-pete said: No idea who you support as I use the mobile website, but I’ll take ‘Tory Rangers gammon’ for 5 points please. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 This mutation pish is a complete smokescreen. I really wish we'd stop talking about it. The virus that started in China wasn't the virus that hit the UK or even Italy. It has been mutating from the start, this is nothing new. If it is a more infectious strain then in the short term you need to do better with isolating people, which if we'd used the last 9 months in any sort of efficient manner we might have a track and trace system that was suitable and actually worked, but the long term approach hasn't changed. The vaccine will still work and the scientists working on the vaccine have already said it shouldn't be too much of a ball ache to make a slightly different one if required. It's being used to railroad through tougher restrictions in the new year and it's not going to wash. We're not having the "adult discussion" on this, we're being told something scary is happening so stay home until further notice, but the actual facts of the new strain tell a different, not very scary story.It has been mutating since the start at a rate of one or two mutations a month. This variation has shown 17 mutations all at once.Probably not worth worrying about though, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, Mr X said: It has been mutating since the start at a rate of one or two mutations a month. This variation has shown 17 mutations all at once. Probably not worth worrying about though, eh? Possibly not, entirely depends on the type of mutation. The above reads like you think that a mutation must be a bad one, which isn’t the case. You’ve even correctly pointed out that it has been mutating constantly since the start of the pandemic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Tend to agree with this. I don’t think we should be shutting everything down again. If the measures - wearing masks, washing hands, social distancing - work then why do we need to shut everything down again?Because its more contagious, more people get sick and hospitals get overun and people die needlessly.Were only months away from vaccine sorting it. The lockdown is a blunt tool but it works, the failure is in us doing nothing about testing and track and trace when locked down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: This is really petty Wullie, but every time I see you type his name wrong it baffles me. How can you not know how to spell the name of the PM?! Ha, I've just never bothered checking it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Not doubting the voracity of the claims made about this mutation but the Brexit shitshow has apparently been shoved well down the "things we should be worrying about" list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, madwullie said: Ha, I've just never bothered checking it. I actually can’t believe that. Even on here his name has been posted daily on this very thread! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, Honest_Man#1 said: I actually can’t believe that. Even on here his name has been posted daily on this very thread! Dont worry mate. I'm on it now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, ayrmad said: Not doubting the voracity of the claims made about this mutation but the Brexit shitshow has apparently been shoved well down the "things we should be worrying about" list. I know this isn’t what you’re saying, but if this was a conspiracy theory that it’s being used to hide the shambolic brexit we are walking into then it wouldn’t make sense for Sturgeon to jump on the bandwagon. She is absolutely desperate to highlight the terrible job they’ve done as much as possible, rather than let it be quietly ignored in favour of the virus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: Dont worry mate. I'm on it now Good. I expect you to go back and edit every post you’ve ever made including the name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Possibly not, entirely depends on the type of mutation. The above reads like you think that a mutation must be a bad one, which isn’t the case. You’ve even correctly pointed out that it has been mutating constantly since the start of the pandemic.No, I was refuting the claim that this is all a smokescreen because its been mutating since the beginning. Yes it has but at a very different rate.Of course how much we need to worry depends on how bad the strain is. Unfortunately if we waited to find out before doing anything it would be too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Tony Blair appears to be arguing we should give everyone one shot of the vaccine when the prevailing opinion seems to be that you need to give two doses for it to be fully effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I couldn’t give a shite about maskless sturgeon and i also didn’t care about cummings and his trip to the castle, closing down all social interactions and places where they happen should be more than enough ( like we had in june and early july - phase 2) telling people to stay indoors should only be a last resort if we are at war or something similar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 So the vaccine expert who has studied all the pzizer papers (not Tony Blair) states that by the time the 2nd dose takes effect to 95%, only having the 1st dose would have a 91% effect anyway.It appears to be a no brainer to double the amount of needy people being vaccinated on these numbers. Against losing 4% effectivety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 hours ago, ayrmad said: Whilst it's not a big deal, it's certainly a newsworthy story, when you spend every day telling people what they can/should do you've got to be whiter than white. No, you absolutely don't. We're all human. What you have to be is ready to acknowledge any mistakes either by action or, in this case, omission. Sturgeon has done this and (imho) expressed sincere regret at the incident. Something that fucking rag hasn't managed to do in over thirty years since Hillsborough, to name only one of the occasions they've earned their entirely apposite nickname. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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