Bairnardo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Not convinced you can protect jobs or the economy by closing schools or doing blended learning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) The covid update we didn't get. The Tories have shut down the M20 in response to loads of lorries turning up and the French telling the lepers to f**k off. edit - linky Edited December 21, 2020 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 It's really not 'unrealistic' for either/both parents in a dual parent household to either: - explore WFH: I note that you say 'unrealistic' here rather than ' not possible' - take short-term leave for childcare purposes. What would you do if your child got sick/unable to attend school for a few weeks for any other reason? A school is not your failsafe resort for childcare and in the event of a global pandemic that should not happen. Your Liverpool-esque sense of injustice about not getting a key worker badge has also been noted. You don't get much work done from home while trying to look after a two year old. My work was really decent in letting me and others take time off for childcare and catch up on work at night, weekends etc. For some teams that wasn't an option due to daily deadlines. It doesn't compare to your kid being off sick either. It's easy to cope when it's just one team member needing time off but becomes a nightmare when everyone with children is needing time off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Steven W said: Define "short term leave" If my son took ill we'd muddle around or use annual leave. It would most probably only be a day or two. I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. Quote Given we both work to put food on the table and a roof over our heads, I can assure you, in our household I and my wife are both very much "key workers". Feel free to note that too. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 VT has absolutely lost it. Glorious to see the meltdown. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, virginton said: I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, virginton said: I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. 7 minutes ago, virginton said: I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. Good grief 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Detournement said: No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff. Not sure how many days of school term that you think are left in the month m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Detournement said: No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff. Some employers let you anticipate leave from the next year as a kind of advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Detournement said: No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff. Depends on your work's holiday calendar shirley? Mines starts in January right enough -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff.What if you only get 20 - 30 days anyway? What do you do if the lockdown is more than 6 weeks in total over the year?Time for ClownshoesTon to tell us! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, virginton said: Not sure how many days of school term that you think are left in the month m8. Most peoples holidays run April-March so taking time off in January isn't an option either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 VT has absolutely lost it. Glorious to see the meltdown. We are a post away from his default position of questioning why these people had the stupidity of having children in the first place. A total moron at times who clearly wouldn't know the first thing about trying to balance work with childcare yet professes to be an expert telling all those who know exactly how difficult it can be what to do. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Play nice children 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Boss swung by today to confirm that we'll be on furlough til the 18th, but claims the high head yins have been tipped off that it's likely to be far longer, to the point that they're writing off the rest of the financial year.Anyone else heard anything like this, or is my boss just being a fanny, as per? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: Most peoples holidays run April-March so taking time off in January isn't an option either Shifting the goalposts after wondering why your 'but... December is this year!' clincher failed to hit the mark I see. In any case, your claim is still wrong. Parents can take essential leave in January for childcare in the same way that people take leave for bereavement and other significant personal issues. It does not get put in a holiday book the year in advance, yet for some strange reason they're not at their workplace and don't get the sack! If some parents lose out in earnings over the whole of 2021 because some of their total leave ends up unpaid then that's just tough. Others in society are going to be making do with £80 per week next year as a result of the pandemic, so the minor inconvenience of those taking time off work for childcare and losing out financially is really not a top priority. Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: You can also swap 'every other country' for me and 'the uk' for this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: We are a post away from his default position of questioning why these people had the stupidity of having children in the first place. A total moron at times who clearly wouldn't know the first thing about trying to balance work with childcare yet professes to be an expert telling all those who know exactly how difficult it can be what to do. I haven't given any specific instructions on how parents should balance their work and childcare, I've simply stated the facts that i) a school does not actually exist to act as your glorified creche for eleven years and ii) it is not the task of society in the middle of a pandemic to work its entire public health response around 'ma annual leave!111!!' The failure to grasp the second point is one of the main reasons why the UK has had spectacularly abysmal performance across the board. Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I haven't given any specific instructions on how parents should balance their work and childcare, I've simply stated the facts that i) a school does not actually exist to act as your glorified creche for eleven years and ii) it is not the task of society in the middle of a pandemic to work its entire public health response around 'ma annual leave!111!!' The failure to grasp the second point is one of the main reasons why the UK has had spectacularly abysmal performance across the board.Here speaketh the failed teacher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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