Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

Are we expecting an update on vaccination figures today?

Not on a Sunday. Never!

[btb]

I see Dominic Raab is today saying that the UK's focus on giving all UK adults a first dose by September means some folk might miss getting their second jab within 12 weeks.

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, btb said:

I see Dominic Raab is today saying that the UK's focus on giving all UK adults a first dose by September means some folk might miss getting their second jab within 12 weeks.

That would be a bit silly

[Bairnardo]

That would be a bit silly

Yep. The idea that vaccinating a healthy 26 year old is more important than completing the course for the vulnerable is surely fucking stupid?

[ICTChris]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-second-wave-of-covid-has-drowned-the-sceptics-delusions-f6xznkn6h

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

The english NHS apparently vaccinating at a rate of 140 per minute. 
Is there anything about this that makes people think that theres something the Scottish Government arent telling us about our supplies? Freeman’s backpedal on the number for the end of january? I hate myself for thinking this but is there any chance supplies have been diverted from Scotland to elsewhere in the UK? Hopefully theres someone a wee bit more aware who can shed some light on it? My mrs practice will only be able to vaccinate 60% of the people they expected to be able for the January targets etc. 
Is it either, the Scottish plans are shite? The vaccine has been diverted? Or a mix of both? 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said:

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated but vaccination numbers have no direct correlation to relaxing restrictions. The only thing that will do that is a large reduction in hospital admissions and deaths sustained to a level deemed acceptable.

The narrative up to now is that the vaccine will result in this but we simply don't know, only time will tell. The only thing we can do is continue vaccination and wait to see the actual results on hospital numbers and deaths.

We can quite clearly infer using all available knowledge of the virus, as well as primary school level logic and reason that as you vaccinate old fatties to protect them from becoming seriously ill, then the overall hospital admission rates and deaths will drop in direct relationship to the vaccine rollout. That is the entire fucking point of the vaccination program, so unless you're claiming that we don't actually know whether the jabs themselves will have 0% effectiveness or 100%, then we can chuck this 'nobody knows, wait and see' stance in the bin where it belongs.

Edited January 17, 2021 by vikingTON

[Honest_Man#1]

4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

The english NHS apparently vaccinating at a rate of 140 per minute. 
Is there anything about this that makes people think that theres something the Scottish Government arent telling us about our supplies? Freeman’s backpedal on the number for the end of january? I hate myself for thinking this but is there any chance supplies have been diverted from Scotland to elsewhere in the UK? Hopefully theres someone a wee bit more aware who can shed some light on it? My mrs practice will only be able to vaccinate 60% of the people they expected to be able for the January targets etc. 

If that was true it would be a massive scandal and would absolutely destroy the UK Gov argument against independence. If they were diverting supply designated for us to their own country, and in the process literally killing some of our population to save theirs, I can’t see Scot Gov not making a big deal out of it. It would surely seal independence support.

[madwullie]

58 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-second-wave-of-covid-has-drowned-the-sceptics-delusions-f6xznkn6h

Any way to see this without the pay wall? Tried incognito, tried stopping the page loading. Those are my only techniques 

[Todd_is_God]

According to the plan provided last week Scotland has the stock to be going faster, but are choosing to focus on getting care homes done first.

I don't really agree that is the right approach, but they've gone for it, and are almost finished with the care homes.

Once they start the mass rollout proper we'll have a better idea of who is more efficient.

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, Honest_Man#1 said:

If that was true it would be a massive scandal and would absolutely destroy the UK Gov argument against independence. If they were diverting supply designated for us to their own country, and in the process literally killing some of our population to save theirs, I can’t see Scot Gov not making a big deal out of it. It would surely seal independence support.

Maybe youre right, I dont know, Im really genuinely not ever one for conspiracy theories or anything, its just the change in estimates from the Scot Gov, the personal thing with the mrs getting only about 60% of what they were told to expect. If it was the case perhaps they are sitting on it incase it caused civil unrest that would spike cases? There’s just something not right. 

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, virginton said:

We can quite clearly infer using all available knowledge of the virus, as well as primary school level logic and reason that as you vaccinate old fatties to protect them from becoming seriously ill, then the overall hospital admission rates and deaths will drop in direct relationship to the vaccine rollout. That is the entire fucking point of the vaccination program, so unless you're claiming that we don't actually know whether the jabs themselves will have 0% effectiveness or 100%, then we can chuck this 'nobody knows, wait and see' stance in the bin where it belongs.

What we do know 100% is that a number of people will still get ill from covid, and some of those will die.

It's slightly concerning that there appears to be a viewpoint forming that we need to accept restrictions im some form until the number of hospitalisations and deaths from it hits zero.

[Honest_Man#1]

16 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Maybe youre right, I dont know, Im really genuinely not ever one for conspiracy theories or anything, its just the change in estimates from the Scot Gov, the personal thing with the mrs getting only about 60% of what they were told to expect. If it was the case perhaps they are sitting on it incase it caused civil unrest that would spike cases? There’s just something not right. 

I think you’re really grasping at straws. Scot Gov could reveal one of the biggest scandals in recent history and undoubtedly hugely swing support in favour of independence but would choose not to, incase people got too angry at UK Gov? Really don’t see it.

[Wee Bully]

What we do know 100% is that a number of people will still get ill from covid, and some of those will die.
It's slightly concerning that there appears to be a viewpoint forming that we need to accept restrictions im some form until the number of hospitalisations and deaths from it hits zero.

I’m not really seeing that viewpoint tbf. I don’t think there is anyone on here suggesting that (unless you mean Pep...)

[Billy Jean King]

What we do know 100% is that a number of people will still get ill from covid, and some of those will die.
It's slightly concerning that there appears to be a viewpoint forming that we need to accept restrictions im some form until the number of hospitalisations and deaths from it hits zero.

I never said zero I said an acceptable level. That is yet to be defined by any nation. As for the VT mewl, that's nonsense from start to finish. It will either work or it won't and despite his protests only time WILL tell it's a waiting game until the serious illness and deaths do decrease to the "acceptable" level. Anyone who thinks measures will be relaxed before admissions and deaths decrease to the levels required is kidding themselves on as it's the one and only measure that will prove the vaccination programmes effectiveness. It's his incessant totally baseless stating of his opinion as fact that has seen me pap him on ignore for the last couple of weeks. It's been good not to see his bleatings bar requotes.

[Michael W]

Isn't the vulnerable list supposed to comprise something like 95% of likely hospitalisations? If the vaccine is effictive at preventing serious illness as it seems to be from the trial data, covid will no longer overwhelm the health system and that particular goal will be met. At that point, restrictions can no longer justified and they should remain only if something goes horribly wrong somewhere. 

 

[welshbairn]

Zero restrictions automatically being set after an arbitrary number of vaccinations, ignoring hospitalisations, is as daft as waiting for zero covid imo.

[vikingTON]

13 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

As for the VT mewl, that's nonsense from start to finish. It will either work or it won't and despite his protests only time WILL tell it's a waiting game until the serious illness and deaths do decrease to the "acceptable" level.

^^^ idiot found

You'd be as well saying that the sun will either rise tomorrow morning or it won't, but we just don't know which outcome is going to happen*!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Spoiler

We do though

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[AyrExile]

1 hour ago, btb said:

I see Dominic Raab is today saying that the UK's focus on giving all UK adults a first dose by September means some folk might miss getting their second jab within 12 weeks.

Hopefully by the start of March another few vaccines will be approved that are single dose. That may help alleviate Rabb’s scenario 

[vikingTON]

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Zero restrictions automatically being set after an arbitrary number of vaccinations, ignoring hospitalisations, is as daft as waiting for zero covid imo.

I don't think you know what 'arbitrary' means tbh.