Guest Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, s_dog said: Does it state anywhere that it's for both doses? Because the numbers for being vaccinated by for example, over 70's by mid-Feb definitely do not include two doses. There are lots of NHS staff & now social care staff who've already been vaccinated and they aim to complete them by the end of the month, but there's only a very small number of them who have their second dose. I know someone who booked their jag a couple of weeks ago and they also booked their second dose at the same time (for 12 weeks time). Yes, 100% it doesn't. My parents are over 80 and they received their first jab earlier this week with the second due on April 12th and our area appears to be ahead of many. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I think if Holiday companies, Restaurant chains, Pub chains, Concert organisers etc, etc, take the same attitude, then people "excluded" might not exactly be ecstatic about it.......... "Civil unrest" mark 2Aye, i will take the vaccine but this shit about needing to show that i have done so or effectively be forced to live off the grid can get tae, that’s not how we should ever be thinking about doing things in a free country 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: Aye, i will take the vaccine but this shit about needing to show that i have done so or effectively be forced to live off the grid can get tae, that’s not how we should ever be thinking about doing things in a free country Agreed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, s_dog said: Does it state anywhere that it's for both doses? Because the numbers for being vaccinated by for example, over 70's by mid-Feb definitely do not include two doses. There are lots of NHS staff & now social care staff who've already been vaccinated and they aim to complete them by the end of the month, but there's only a very small number of them who have their second dose. I know someone who booked their jag a couple of weeks ago and they also booked their second dose at the same time (for 12 weeks time), so like most who are getting them right now, won't be fully vaccinated until end of April. I've misremembered that actually, it's one dose by the early May and both doses by mid-July. However, they are expecting around 2m to have both doses by the end of May. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 Tony Blair's terrifyingly titled Institute for Global Change has produced a paper estimating how quickly restrictions can be eased. https://institute.global/policy/sunlit-uplands-vaccine-rollout-and-return-normality?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=launch Here's the table they have produced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: 17 hours ago, Elixir said: The measures right now effectively are. Eh, I spent 3 weeks with family in Turkey just over 3 months ago (October) 'Right now'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Guess who's back with another zero COVID article? Of course, she refuses to set out what the plan for zero COVID actually entails: "What does this mean for all of us now? While scientists continue to assemble the data and advise governments on how best to proceed, we should each be focusing on how to avoid getting the virus and passing it on to others, and learning sustainable ways to live under restrictions for the dark winter months ahead. Quite simply: avoid indoor, poorly ventilated and crowded settings; don’t go into other people’s homes; keep your distance; meet outside; wear face coverings on public transport and in shops; and err on the side of caution." That isn't a plan for zero COVID, that's just pretty obvious advice for the individual. She loves herself. I can't remember despising someone as much for a long time. Most scientists know that 'zero covid' is pseudoscience in the same way that 'zero influenza' or 'zero common cold' is. Roughly 20% of the population have already had it ffs. Absolute lunatic. Edit: and the worrying thing is that people who are too stupid and/or can't think logically for themselves, just blow smoke up her arse and think it's the only conceivable way back to (what wouldn't be) normality. It's so dangerous that Sturgeon listens to her. She is not a virologist or epidemiologist. She is a glorified nutritionist, just like that Ding impostor. Edited January 21, 2021 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Guess who's back with another zero COVID article? Of course, she refuses to set out what the plan for zero COVID actually entails: "What does this mean for all of us now? While scientists continue to assemble the data and advise governments on how best to proceed, we should each be focusing on how to avoid getting the virus and passing it on to others, and learning sustainable ways to live under restrictions for the dark winter months ahead. Quite simply: avoid indoor, poorly ventilated and crowded settings; don’t go into other people’s homes; keep your distance; meet outside; wear face coverings on public transport and in shops; and err on the side of caution." That isn't a plan for zero COVID, that's just pretty obvious advice for the individual. I like Sridhar to be fair, not sure how feasible Zero Covid is for the UK but don't get the scorn people on here pour on her, especially when our actions so far have been such a disaster. Anyway, the quote you've picked out "while scientists advise gov on how best to proceed, we should each focus on avoiding the virus", sounds very much like, in the meantime while we wait for the gov to act, all we can do is..... Besides that, she has clearly set out her ideas for how to get to Zero Covid, much like Australia (drive cases low with lockdown, have a proper test & trace system & strict border controls, with payment for isolation & quarantine and checks to make sure it's being followed, targeted local lockdowns as soon as there is any outbreak & now with the added hope from vaccinations). You might not agree with it, or think its rubbish, but she's been saying that for a while now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, s_dog said: Besides that, she has clearly set out her ideas for how to get to Zero Covid, much like Australia (drive cases low with lockdown, have a proper test & trace system & strict border controls, with payment for isolation & quarantine and checks to make sure it's being followed, targeted local lockdowns as soon as there is any outbreak & now with the added hope from vaccinations). You might not agree with it, or think its rubbish, but she's been saying that for a while now. In that article? She's not mentioned Australia once, or given any suggestions. She probably has been saying some of that, a fair amount of which I don't even disagree with, but what haven't these nerds been saying since this all started? They're fucking loving this limelight and that's why they're rubbing people the wrong way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Guess who's back with another zero COVID article? Of course, she refuses to set out what the plan for zero COVID actually entails: "What does this mean for all of us now? While scientists continue to assemble the data and advise governments on how best to proceed, we should each be focusing on how to avoid getting the virus and passing it on to others, and learning sustainable ways to live under restrictions for the dark winter months ahead. Quite simply: avoid indoor, poorly ventilated and crowded settings; don’t go into other people’s homes; keep your distance; meet outside; wear face coverings on public transport and in shops; and err on the side of caution." That isn't a plan for zero COVID, that's just pretty obvious advice for the individual. The replies full of old lads telling her how amazing she is while typing one handed will never fail to send chills down my spine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 How is Germany's amazing test and trace system working out? 'Test and trace' is the biggest busted flush of this whole sorry incident. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Tony Blair's terrifyingly titled Institute for Global Change has produced a paper estimating how quickly restrictions can be eased. https://institute.global/policy/sunlit-uplands-vaccine-rollout-and-return-normality?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=launch Here's the table they have produced. The Accelerated Scenario isn't bad at all IMO. Would take that right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: In terms of providing proof of vaccination, the onus for that will be on the traveller. I went to Ghana this time last year and had to provide proof of having the yellow fever vaccination - if I hadn't brought my documentation then I wouldn't have got in to the country. I always have a chuckle when I read British gammons question how it would even be possible to prove you've had a vaccine when the process already exists and is required for travelling to certain countries. I shouldn't be surprised about the ignorance of people in this country but it seems that every day now another example punches me in the face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Tony Blair's terrifyingly titled Institute for Global Change has produced a paper estimating how quickly restrictions can be eased. https://institute.global/policy/sunlit-uplands-vaccine-rollout-and-return-normality?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=launch Here's the table they have produced. Accelerated scenario would be ideal. Current scenario would be acceptable.No doubt we'll end up with "worst case scenario". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The Accelerated Scenario isn't bad at all IMO. Would take that right now.How so they recon less deaths if accelerated? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Markka said: 18 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Tony Blair's terrifyingly titled Institute for Global Change has produced a paper estimating how quickly restrictions can be eased. https://institute.global/policy/sunlit-uplands-vaccine-rollout-and-return-normality?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=launch Here's the table they have produced. The Accelerated Scenario isn't bad at all IMO. Would take that right now. Less deaths following the accelerated path - can you explain the logic behind that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Elixir said: How is Germany's amazing test and trace system working out? 'Test and trace' is the biggest busted flush of this whole sorry incident. It only works with a low number of cases, trying to trace contacts when you have tens of thousands of primary cases is pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markka Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Less deaths following the accelerated path - can you explain the logic behind that?Since I'm meant to be working at the moment, I won't read the full article right now, but I assume in the accelerated scenario the vaccinations are being administered more swiftly, and the deaths estimate therefore goes down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The priority should be loading Leitch and indeed anyone else hankering after places of worship as a priority into Mons Meg and firing them into the Firth of Forth. Ya savage fukin heaven ! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Nice to have some sort of plan outlined, it would be nice if it came from government rather than a mass murdering w****r mind you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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