welshbairn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 25 minutes ago, Michael W said: Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. That's utterly bonkers, relocate your Big Pharma to the UK basically seems to be the unintended message. I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion. Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick. If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line. Edited January 25, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 23/01/2021 at 09:03, dirty dingus said: Let the show begin. Anti Bigot vaccination i hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Left Back said: American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion. Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick. If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line. Biden's enforcing the Defence Production Act. Not sure what that means for Johnson and Johnson's overseas subsidiaries, but I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing any Moderna vaccines for a long time. Astra Zeneca are British/Swedish with global shareholders, Pfizer are American but their vaccine is jointly owned with a German firm. It could get very messy and the rest of the world could be relying on the Russians and Chinese over producing and not being too greedy on price. Edited January 26, 2021 by welshbairn -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Anti Bigot vaccination i hope.NHS Lanarkshire will be inundated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, GNU_Linux said: Wonder if this'll have any impact on AZ's push for a 2nd place finish in the Eredivisie. Out of interest, is your avi Misato? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Out of interest, is your avi Misato?Yes. I see you too are a man of culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The AZ vaccine was always pish compared to the other two. They tested for asymptomatic cases unlike the other two, so the efficacy numbers reported are not directly comparable as far as I am aware. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 14 hours ago, ICTChris said: There's a balance of risks going on with this. The risk of the protection waning from the first dose by pushing the booster out has been judged (1)to be less than the protection given by giving the protection of the first dose to as many people as possible. Given that we know for certain the protection given by the first dose and that vaccine specialists (2)have broad understandings of the mechanism of the booster dose then it seems like an understanable decision. The iniital results from Israel, who are using the Pfizer vaccine in their rollout, show solid levels of protection from the first jab(3). Obviously though this is rapidly evolving and dependant on further data. Also, I'm fairly certain that the JCVI didn't decide that the guy called William Shakespeare got one of the first doses. (4) 1. By who? Not, according to the BMJ, the manufacturers - and it would be a strange business who talked down thir product without good reason. 2. Again - specialists who know more than those who actually developed the vaccines? 3. In a world where we don't trust a word that comes out of Moscow or Beijing, why do we treat every Israeli statement as Gospel? This is a country which won't admit having nuclear warheads.. 4. I never said they did, but another cog in the same PR machine most certainly did. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, 101 said: But also all of them are non-white which are more effected and I'm not sure non-obese is quite the same as malnourished, which kills 300,000 people alone. you can't extrapolate BAME in this country being at higher risk, to people all over the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Regarding profiteering remember Pfizer have already changed their packaging to say a vial which was previously sold as 5 doses is now sold as 6 doses. No change to the contents of said vial. This actually can f**k up a lot of the planning of the 2nd doses as countries were banking on this buy 5 get one free strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-man-removed-from-hospital-after-trying-to-discharge-covid-19-patient-20210126?c=1611646359449&fbclid=IwAR2IkYRiJAu_WvtLHFa8BPEqARO-vu8Sv9W5kNesYjisKplKU_3ni99gGpkExcuse the fact it’s ladbible, but I feel we’re at the stage conspiracy theorists need to be dealt with seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 55 minutes ago, Have some faith in Magic said: you can't extrapolate BAME in this country being at higher risk, to people all over the world. Case fatality in Yemen is 30% and in the 10 countries with highest case fatality rates none of them have a majority White European population base. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-man-removed-from-hospital-after-trying-to-discharge-covid-19-patient-20210126?c=1611646359449&fbclid=IwAR2IkYRiJAu_WvtLHFa8BPEqARO-vu8Sv9W5kNesYjisKplKU_3ni99gGpkExcuse the fact it’s ladbible, but I feel we’re at the stage conspiracy theorists need to be dealt with seriously. They should just have let him leave. One less c**t in the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said: Wockhardt in Wrexham is essentially a bottling plant. They make it at various manufacturing plants around Britain and it's taken there in bulk for packing into individual doses. It's been running on two 'fills' per week for a while which could be up to a million doses each depending on which manufacturer it's coming from. That's where Derek McInnes and Jack Ross learned their trade... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, mizfit said: https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-man-removed-from-hospital-after-trying-to-discharge-covid-19-patient-20210126?c=1611646359449&fbclid=IwAR2IkYRiJAu_WvtLHFa8BPEqARO-vu8Sv9W5kNesYjisKplKU_3ni99gGpk Excuse the fact it’s ladbible, but I feel we’re at the stage conspiracy theorists need to be dealt with seriously. Covid conspiracy theorists don't even believe their own pish imo. They're just attention seeking melts who'll go back to sharing missing dog posts from other countries once all this is over. However until then, truncheons to the face, frequently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said: 10 hours ago, welshbairn said: All the initial supplies of AZ and Pfizer came from Belgium too, hopefully AZ are fully up and running in Wrexham by now. Janssen is fully owned by Johnson and Johnson, so America will likely get first dibs on any uncontracted supply. Wockhardt in Wrexham is essentially a bottling plant. They make it at various manufacturing plants around Britain and it's taken there in bulk for packing into individual doses. It's been running on two 'fills' per week for a while which could be up to a million doses each depending on which manufacturer it's coming from. Two million doses a week doesn’t sound a lot if the government target is 500k per day. You’d assume most of these would be planned to be AZ rather than Pfizer. Certainly less than the previous discussions of 150,000 vials per day. Edited January 26, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, 101 said: Case fatality in Yemen is 30% and in the 10 countries with highest case fatality rates none of them have a majority White European population base. CFR will inherently be much higher than IFR if very little testing is taking place. Have a sneaking suspicion that Yemen doesn't feature very highly on the tests per capita table given it's in the midsts of a civil war right now. One of the main reasons for all the mass hysteria over COVID is that many people do not seem to grasp the difference between CFR and IFR, so when a 2% CFR number was being reported from Wuhan it was generally assumed to mean that 2% of everybody infected would die. We now know it is probably under 0.2% on IFR and very much skewed towards > 70 year olds placing it in unusually bad flu season sort of territory rather than a rerun of the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: Two million doses a week doesn’t sound a lot if the government target is 500k per day. You’d assume most of these would be planned to be AZ rather than Pfizer. Certainly less than the previous discussions of 150,000 vials. Haven't been reading up about it recently but a few weeks back the main bottleneck on ramping up vaccination was reported to be the special type of glass needed for the vials. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Yes. I see you too are a man of culture. Posting on Pie and Bovril is my own personal piloting the EVA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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