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5 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said:
25 minutes ago, Michael W said:
 Don't think we're there yet, tbf. Not a smart route for the EU to go down so hopefully just words being said in anger. 
They are raging with AZ; not just a small issue, but 60% less than expected. There's even talk of suing them. 
 

That's utterly bonkers, relocate your Big Pharma to the UK basically seems to be the unintended message.

I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. 

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7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I doubt they'd want to swap a market of 450 million for one of 70 million. 

American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion.  Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick.  If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line.

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33 minutes ago, Left Back said:

American pharma are looking at potential profits from a world of 7.5 billion.  Anything that threatens that will be fucked off pretty quick.  If they can make more by flogging to non-eu countries guess who’s going to the back of the line.

Biden's enforcing the Defence Production Act. Not sure what that means for Johnson and Johnson's overseas subsidiaries, but I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing any Moderna vaccines for a long time. Astra Zeneca are British/Swedish with global shareholders, Pfizer are American but their vaccine is jointly owned with a German firm. It could get very messy and the rest of the world could be relying on the Russians and Chinese over producing and not being too greedy on price.

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14 hours ago, ICTChris said:

There's a balance of risks going on with this.  The risk of the protection waning from the first dose by pushing the booster out has been judged (1)to be less than the protection given by giving the protection of the first dose to as many people as possible.  Given that we know for certain the protection given by the first dose and that vaccine specialists (2)have broad understandings of the mechanism of the booster dose then it seems like an understanable decision.  The iniital results from Israel, who are using the Pfizer vaccine in their rollout, show solid levels of protection from the first jab(3).  Obviously though this is rapidly evolving and dependant on further data.

Also, I'm fairly certain that the JCVI didn't decide that the guy called William Shakespeare got one of the first doses.  (4)

1. By who? Not, according to the BMJ, the manufacturers - and it would be a strange business who talked down thir product without good reason. 

2. Again - specialists who know more than those who actually developed the vaccines?

3. In a world where we don't trust a word that comes out of Moscow or Beijing, why do we treat every Israeli statement as Gospel? This is a country which won't admit having nuclear warheads..

4. I never said they did, but another cog in the same PR machine most certainly did. 

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Regarding profiteering remember Pfizer have already changed their packaging to say a vial which was previously sold as 5 doses is now sold as 6 doses.
No change to the contents of said vial. This actually can f**k up a lot of the planning of the 2nd doses as countries were banking on this buy 5 get one free strategy.

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55 minutes ago, Have some faith in Magic said:

you can't extrapolate BAME in this country being  at higher risk, to people all over the world. 

Case fatality in Yemen is 30% and in the 10 countries with highest case fatality rates none of them have a majority White European population base.

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They should just have let him leave. One less c**t in the world.
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9 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said:

Wockhardt in Wrexham is essentially a bottling plant. They make it at various manufacturing plants around Britain and it's taken there in bulk for packing into individual doses. It's been running on two 'fills' per week for a while which could be up to a million doses each depending on which manufacturer it's coming from.

That's where Derek McInnes and Jack Ross learned their trade...

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20 minutes ago, mizfit said:

Covid conspiracy theorists don't even believe their own pish imo. They're just attention seeking melts who'll go back to sharing missing dog posts from other countries once all this is over. However until then, truncheons to the face, frequently. 

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9 hours ago, Archie McSquackle said:
10 hours ago, welshbairn said:
All the initial supplies of AZ and Pfizer came from Belgium too, hopefully AZ are fully up and running in Wrexham by now. Janssen is fully owned by Johnson and Johnson, so America will likely get first dibs on any uncontracted supply. 

Wockhardt in Wrexham is essentially a bottling plant. They make it at various manufacturing plants around Britain and it's taken there in bulk for packing into individual doses. It's been running on two 'fills' per week for a while which could be up to a million doses each depending on which manufacturer it's coming from.

Two million doses a week doesn’t sound a lot if the government target is 500k per day.  You’d assume most of these would be planned to be AZ rather than Pfizer.  
 

Certainly less than the previous discussions of 150,000 vials per day.

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7 minutes ago, 101 said:

Case fatality in Yemen is 30% and in the 10 countries with highest case fatality rates none of them have a majority White European population base.

 

CFR will inherently be much higher than IFR if very little testing is taking place. Have a sneaking suspicion that Yemen doesn't feature very highly on the tests per capita table given it's in the midsts of a civil war right now. One of the main reasons for all the mass hysteria over COVID is that many people do not seem to grasp the difference between CFR and IFR, so when a 2% CFR number was being reported from Wuhan it was generally assumed to mean that 2% of everybody infected would die. We now know it is probably under 0.2% on IFR and very much skewed towards > 70 year olds placing it in unusually bad flu season sort of territory rather than a rerun of the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918.

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Just now, Left Back said:

Two million doses a week doesn’t sound a lot if the government target is 500k per day.  You’d assume most of these would be planned to be AZ rather than Pfizer.  
 

Certainly less than the previous discussions of 150,000 vials.

Haven't been reading up about it recently but a few weeks back the main bottleneck on ramping up vaccination was reported to be the special type of glass needed for the vials.

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