Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Elixir]

 

[jamamafegan]

Deary me

[vikingTON]

3 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Antibodies from infection found to last AT LEAST 6 months. More good news. They are going to have to announce that the next mutation turns your arsehole inside out and dissolves the wee bones in your ear at this rate.

Needless to say that the British media has dropped the 'at least' part from their headlines, to allow people to wet their frilly knickers about 'whit happens at month seven tho!!!111!!!' and demand a 23 hour a day curfew just in case. 

[mizfit]

Deary me

“Millwall was always my dear fathers favourite team, he’ll be glad we’ve received a hospitality box for life to use in his memory.”

[vikingTON]

Meanwhile, I see that the TUC is now pushing for furlough to be maintained for the rest of the fucking year, as part of our new social contract to Not Let Anyone Lose Their Jobs Because of This: except of course for all the ones who already did and weren't eligible for furlough, and those who will be living off Universal Credit and food banks for decades due to the hellscape economy that this furlough junkie attitude is creating. 

That the British left do not see that paying the bill for this largesse is going to make the 2010s austerity look like a teddy bear's picnic is baffling even by their low benchmark for political foresight.

[gav-ffc]

[Marshmallo]

Extending furlough in isolation would make sense to assist industries such as live events or travel which are going to be last to open, but the Scottish Government seem to be taking the approach of "if it's there then we might as well use it".

[Elixir]

10 minutes ago, virginton said:

Needless to say that the British media has dropped the 'at least' part from their headlines, to allow people to wet their frilly knickers about 'whit happens at month seven tho!!!111!!!' and demand a 23 hour a day curfew just in case. 

I mean, it was only a couple of weeks ago a study got published among over 20,000 UK workers in healthcare which showed 80%+ had high levels of antibodies after eight months.

People, of course, who are in settings where they are routinely exposed to the virus.

But let's just sweep all that under the carpet.

[ICTChris]

33 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

I mean, realistically, what would their continued function be in an independent Scotland?

Their entire manifesto since inception has been Scottish independence. I'd argue that currently, a massive amount of voters only stick with them because of this.

A bit of an over-simplification but if you break it down, them hanging about would be like the Brexit party continuing post-brexit.

The SNP are the absolutely dominant party in Scottish political life.  They are the biggest party in Westminers,  in Holyrood, in local government.  They very likely have more members in Scotland than the Conservative Party have in the whole United Kingdom.  They aren't a single issue party, they have a broad policy platform, they run for all elections on it and they would continue to do so post-independence.  

The idea that they would voluntarily dissolve themselves upon indepedence is a fantasy.  What is more likely is that they would continue and extend their dominance of Scottish poltics for many years.  Perhaps some of the Cherry/Salmond group would peel off and form a new party but they would be very small and insignificant.  Maybe I'm a pessimist by nature but I think the idea that independence would result in a more pluralistic and varied Scottish politics is completely incorrect.  What is very likely is that we'd have the same sort of government we've had since 1999, soft left/centrist approach but more so because the opposition parties would probably implode due to losing the independence debate/vote.

Of course, what could happen is that independence is a complete disaster, causes economic and social chaos and from this new political movements emerge and sweep the SNP aside.  I don't think that's entirely likely but is probably more likely than a bunch of politicians who have complete control over their country deciding to go their own separate ways because they have disagreements about how to manage the Forestry Commision.

It's all speculation though, of course, and I could very likely be completely wrong.  It's also off topic so I'll be quiet about it now.

 

[MP_MFC]

 

UK lagging behind again. Very disappointing.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

9 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Extending furlough in isolation would make sense to assist industries such as live events or travel which are going to be last to open, but the Scottish Government seem to be taking the approach of "if it's there then we might as well use it".

you can't put a price on being SAFE,

 

10 years later, I can't believe theres no funding for X, Y & Z  HOW DID THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN

 

Also whats happened to us? Remember society, from absolute top to bottom , used to sort of condescendingly nudge those ultra cautious knicker wetter's who were terrified to engage in anything with a hint of risk with a simple phrase " och youd never leave the house if that's your approach to life"  now we don't ever  leave the house and this is somehow seen as a proper sensible approach ? wtf

[NotThePars]

If you think that the SNP will be consigned to the past after independence, I have a bridge to sell you.

No all those people who’ve become the political establishment in the last 14 years are going to give up their cushy role at the exact point that they have over half the voting electorate’s gratitude for delivering a momentous political achievement

[madwullie]

11 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The SNP are the absolutely dominant party in Scottish political life.  They are the biggest party in Westminers,  in Holyrood, in local government.  They very likely have more members in Scotland than the Conservative Party have in the whole United Kingdom.  They aren't a single issue party, they have a broad policy platform, they run for all elections on it and they would continue to do so post-independence.  

The idea that they would voluntarily dissolve themselves upon indepedence is a fantasy.  What is more likely is that they would continue and extend their dominance of Scottish poltics for many years.  Perhaps some of the Cherry/Salmond group would peel off and form a new party but they would be very small and insignificant.  Maybe I'm a pessimist by nature but I think the idea that independence would result in a more pluralistic and varied Scottish politics is completely incorrect.  What is very likely is that we'd have the same sort of government we've had since 1999, soft left/centrist approach but more so because the opposition parties would probably implode due to losing the independence debate/vote.

Of course, what could happen is that independence is a complete disaster, causes economic and social chaos and from this new political movements emerge and sweep the SNP aside.  I don't think that's entirely likely but is probably more likely than a bunch of politicians who have complete control over their country deciding to go their own separate ways because they have disagreements about how to manage the Forestry Commision.

It's all speculation though, of course, and I could very likely be completely wrong.  It's also off topic so I'll be quiet about it now.

 

Must admit I've never thought of it this way. 

[harry94]

5 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The SNP are the absolutely dominant party in Scottish political life.  They are the biggest party in Westminers,  in Holyrood, in local government.  They very likely have more members in Scotland than the Conservative Party have in the whole United Kingdom.  They aren't a single issue party, they have a broad policy platform, they run for all elections on it and they would continue to do so post-independence.  

The idea that they would voluntarily dissolve themselves upon indepedence is a fantasy.  What is more likely is that they would continue and extend their dominance of Scottish poltics for many years.  Perhaps some of the Cherry/Salmond group would peel off and form a new party but they would be very small and insignificant.  Maybe I'm a pessimist by nature but I think the idea that independence would result in a more pluralistic and varied Scottish politics is completely incorrect.  What is very likely is that we'd have the same sort of government we've had since 1999, soft left/centrist approach but more so because the opposition parties would probably implode due to losing the independence debate/vote.

Of course, what could happen is that independence is a complete disaster, causes economic and social chaos and from this new political movements emerge and sweep the SNP aside.  I don't think that's entirely likely but is probably more likely than a bunch of politicians who have complete control over their country deciding to go their own separate ways because they have disagreements about how to manage the Forestry Commision.

It's all speculation though, of course, and I could very likely be completely wrong.  It's also off topic so I'll be quiet about it now.

 

I think you are right that the party would remain, no one is going to give up that machine. I do think you would see change over time with the new batch of representatives for each party being aligned differently. Labour especially are this weird mix of some left leaning members who are closer to the Green leadership but held back by the constitutional issues and then the social democrats who are pretty indistinguishable from much of the SNP, there's going to be some change there.

A huge amount will depend on how the inevitable Labour civil war plays out. At one extreme it could result in the party virtually dying and at the other, they could come back and win a lot of Greens/SNP support.

[Detournement]

I'm glad everyone has come round to the realisation that Sturgeon is a miserable control freak who wants us all stuck in the house forever. 

Corroboration, the Football bill, Named Person, Minimum pricing, the Hate Crime bill they are currently backtracking on. A nasty bunch of small minded authoritarians. 

[Detournement]

15 minutes ago, harry94 said:

I think you are right that the party would remain, no one is going to give up that machine. I do think you would see change over time with the new batch of representatives for each party being aligned differently. Labour especially are this weird mix of some left leaning members who are closer to the Green leadership but held back by the constitutional issues and then the social democrats who are pretty indistinguishable from much of the SNP, there's going to be some change there.

A huge amount will depend on how the inevitable Labour civil war plays out. At one extreme it could result in the party virtually dying and at the other, they could come back and win a lot of Greens/SNP support.

The SNP are not Social Democrats. You don't  have a RBS failed banker write your economic prospectus unless you are an economically right wing party. 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Detournement

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48 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

Deary me

Be nice if the dim fucker who posted that could actually speak English.

"Respects"

[GiGi]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

The SNP are not Social Democrats. You don't  have a RBS failed banker write your economic prospectus unless you are an economically right wing party. 

You're at it.

[Detournement]

4 minutes ago, GiGi said:

You're at it.

https://www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot/

Sadly not. 

[Todd_is_God]

That can only help the vaccine get hospital numbers etc down.