djchapsticks Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Paco said: South Africa have stopped their rollout of the Astra Zeneca vaccine as a result of it not working against the variant there. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-south-africa-halts-rollout-of-astrazeneca-jab-due-to-limited-protection-12211970 They’ll ‘consider’ how to use their doses for now but will not be giving it to healthcare workers. Massively irresponsible to do so given that there is no indication that the vaccine is anything but effective against serious illness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 The AZ vaccine is probably still good for younger, healthy people. As I said previously they should give the good vaccines to the elderly and frontline workers and keep the shite Brexit one for those less at risk. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, 101 said: Had social distancing been introduced 1 week earlier in New York, cases could have been reduced by 80%. That seems to suggest it's a highly effective method to reduce transmission. But it's also the measure that knackers the economy. Source: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/model-shows-significant-influence-of-social-distancing-on-covid-19-spread According to yet another shan model, that found a mere, erm, 500% difference in expected cases between two of the areas being studied. Into the bin it goes then, along with Neil Ferguson's garbage output. No amount of distancing matters if you are indoors in a non-ventilated space for any period of time, because it is an airborne virus. Social distancing and sanitising every surface are holdovers from Clownshoes Leitch's regime in March. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Massively irresponsible to do so given that there is no indication that the vaccine is anything but effective against serious illness. There have been no tests done which show it is effective in preventing serious illness versus the South African variant. Edited February 7, 2021 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Again with regards to Epidemiologists going on about social distancing forever and mass gathering being banned for years, please take their comments in complete isolation. The medical and science community have had carte blanche over their recommendations for a year but there is going to be a completely unignorable barrage of pressure coming from every other facet of life pretty soon. Economists, business leaders, sociologists, MPs, hundreds of thousands of small and medium business owners will all have their say to the contrary in terms of restrictions. The risk factor attributed to a vaccinated country, a variant that will not be the dominant one on our shores and manageable numbers and severity of cases will most certainly come into play in the overall decision. All the shouting in the world about how scary maybe catching a variant is won't matter at that point in proceedings. People will be ready and willing to accept that they are adequately protected by a vaccine that provides protection and reduces spread and severity and will be willing to take the risk. I'd happily go to something like Cheltenham in a country where I am vaccinated the crowd is 70% vaccinated and a probable further 15% have antibodies from having had the virus. That is acceptable risk. Edited February 7, 2021 by djchapsticks 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, virginton said: According to yet another shan model, that found a mere, erm, 500% difference in expected cases between two of the areas being studied. Into the bin it goes then, along with Neil Ferguson's garbage output. No amount of distancing matters if you are indoors in a non-ventilated space for any period of time, because it is an airborne virus. Social distancing and sanitising every surface are holdovers from Clownshoes Leitch's regime in March. Absolute nonsense. If everyone kept 15 miles apart - even in an indoor setting - the virus wouldn't spread at all. Please post better and more factually. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Detournement said: There have been no tests done which show it is effective in preventing serious illness versus the South African variant. So it is highly irresponsible to pull the vaccine based on absolutely no tests being done. Especially when taking the below into consideration. Quote Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chair of the UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, said: "Evidence suggests the Oxford AZ vaccine protects against disease caused by the predominant Covid variants circulating in the UK. "It remains highly likely that the vaccine will also protect against severe disease caused by the South African variant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: So it is highly irresponsible to pull the vaccine based on absolutely no tests being done. Especially when taking the below into consideration. I'm guessing the South Africans think they should do clinical trials rather than go with what some British professor believes is likely. Edited February 7, 2021 by Detournement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Detournement said: I'm guessing the South Africans think they should do clinical trials rather than go with what some British professor believes is likely. There is literally no talking to you on any subject whatsoever. You don't believe that pulling a vaccine without conducting any tests whatsoever to prove it's ineffective is irresponsible and that's up to you but I'm now done with trying to debate against your constant, ongoing stupidity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: There is literally no talking to you on any subject whatsoever. You don't believe that pulling a vaccine without conducting any tests whatsoever to prove it's ineffective is irresponsible and that's up to you but I'm now done with trying to debate against your constant, ongoing stupidity. You have it the wrong way around. They need to do trials before rolling it out. That's basic stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Again with regards to Epidemiologists going on about social distancing forever and mass gathering being banned for years, please take their comments in complete isolation. The medical and science community have had carte blanche over their recommendations for a year but there is going to be a completely unignorable barrage of pressure coming from every other facet of life pretty soon. Economists, business leaders, sociologists, MPs, hundreds of thousands of small and medium business owners will all have their say to the contrary in terms of restrictions. The risk factor attributed to a vaccinated country, a variant that will not be the dominant one on our shores and manageable numbers and severity of cases will most certainly come into play in the overall decision. All the shouting in the world about how scary maybe catching a variant is won't matter at that point in proceedings. People will be ready and willing to accept that they are adequately protected by a vaccine that provides protection and reduces spread and severity and will be willing to take the risk. I'd happily go to something like Cheltenham in a country where I am vaccinated the crowd is 70% vaccinated and a probable further 15% have antibodies from having had the virus. That is acceptable risk. I agree with every word. However, worryingly, it's not just epidemiologists saying this. The Deputy First Minister of Scotland is saying it too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Steven W said: I agree with every word. However, worryingly, it's not just epidemiologists saying this. The Deputy First Minister of Scotland is saying it too. I get the feeling the scottish government wont let us live restriction free for at least another year. Just think how many lives will be ruined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Steven W said: I agree with every word. However, worryingly, it's not just epidemiologists saying this. The Deputy First Minister of Scotland is saying it too. True but the weight of pressure externally from other sectors will surely be far too great for them to stick by their guns on such unreasonable restrictions indefinitely. Edited February 7, 2021 by djchapsticks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, Erih Shtrep said: Absolute nonsense. If everyone kept 15 miles apart - even in an indoor setting - the virus wouldn't spread at all. Please post better and more factually. If everyone was 15 miles apart they would facto be “outdoors” from each other unless you happen to know any buildings that are 15 miles long? Unfortunately most buildings aren’t that large. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: True but the weight of pressure externally from other sectors will surely be far too great for them to stick by their guns on such unreasonable restrictions indefinitely. You would think / hope so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: If everyone was 15 miles apart they would facto be “outdoors” from each other unless you happen to know any buildings that are 15 miles long? Unfortunately most buildings aren’t that large. No. People can be 15 miles apart and both indoors. I'm not certain you understand how housing works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) South Africa suspending use of astra zennica vaccine as its pretty ineffective. Edit against SA strain. Edited February 7, 2021 by D.A.F.C 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Erih Shtrep said: No. People can be 15 miles apart and both indoors. I'm not certain you understand how housing works. Enjoy your night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 Power cuts across Edinburgh, Lothians and Borders. Potential impact on vaccine refrigeration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, ICTChris said: Power cuts across Edinburgh, Lothians and Borders. Potential impact on vaccine refrigeration. Generator back up surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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