latapythelegend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, WATTOO said: This is SO 1970's package holiday !! I honestly don't know anyone who only goes "1 week / 2 weeks in the summer to Lanzarote" etc. However I do know LOTS of people who travel abroad regularly (some are every 3 or 4 weeks), short breaks to Eastern Europe, Golfing Holidays to Spain / Portugal / Turkey etc, I know lots of the older generation who go long stays for 6 - 8 weeks in the winter to the Algarve / Canaries / Costa Del Sol / Malta / Cyprus etc, so i think you'll see that it runs just a tad deeper that "a week in Benidorm". So does the fact that some people can afford multiple holidays a year (probably less than 10% of the general population) mean they should be able to go where and when they want? Some retirees who want to spend the winter in the sun for months on end probably have a very comfortable life at home anyway through lockdown so cry me a river. The general point still stands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: Having the right to practice your faith freely without obstruction is a significant part of the foundation of a free society. It's important that this resumes as quickly as possible. If business owners are struggling, then that's an issue with the government's financial supports. No one is stopping anyone practicing faith freely, there has been no ban on religion or religious festivals either. In fact, many religions have adapted well, providing online services and hopefully, when the weather improves, outdoor services. You mentioned a free society. Is it right, fair, or free, that business are forced into closures as a result of government legislation? We aren't living in a free society right now, and places of worship need to wait their turn. They won't help the economy bounce back which is, at this moment in time, far more important than communal prayers or services. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Burnieman said: Understand what secular means. Noboody is stopping religious worship. People's jobs are far far far more important to society than opening places of worship. Definition of secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters. So it stands - Scotland is a country with many faiths and a significant number of secular people. These restrictions are stopping religious worship - that is the point of them. Yes you can pray in your house in some religions, you can't for others. So these restrictions are having a significant, discriminatory impact on people of certain faiths. This must be rectified as quickly as possible. This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be. Time to close down Rangers FC for good and ban all orange walks imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Definition of secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters. So it stands - Scotland is a country with many faiths and a significant number of secular people. These restrictions are stopping religious worship - that is the point of them. Yes you can pray in your house in some religions, you can't for others. So these restrictions are having a significant, discriminatory impact on people of certain faiths. This must be rectified as quickly as possible. This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be.Secular means religion plays no part in Govt. The State is seperate from the Church.So as a secular society, religion should not influence Govt decision making or hold any form of priority in such circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.V.T. Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 57,000 jags - some going considering the weather 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 million is gonnae get passed tomorrow.That is an amazing achievement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Does this mean that even with the vaccine rollout complete and nobody going into hospital, that if case rates exceed 100 per 100,000 in future that the state can intervene to shut society down by diktat? It needs clarified, otherwise when does that madness ever stop?The "state" can intervene at 1 per 100k if they so choose if approved via parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, D.V.T. said: 57,000 jags - some going considering the weather That's tremendous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Test positivity dipped under 5% too. Hopefully in the next week or two we start to see the effect of the vaccinations kick in for case numbers and hospitalisations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Places of worship being given any sort of preference is rage-inducing. Pray in the bloody house FFS. Schools are expected, but really there needs to be a plan to vaccinate at least secondary school kids. Schools will have the distinction of being the only non-vaccinated setting by August and therefore are basically going to keep the virus in circulation. Perhaps school kids aren't impacted in the same way as some are, but given what we keep hearing about spread of the virus and can't be sure vaccines stop that, schools risk pulling us all down. Not to mention the famous quote that R can't be kept below 1 thanks to the "more infectious Kent variant". There us no vaccine licensed for use in U16s. They are starting twice weekly testing using home tests from 1 March in South Ayrshire to permit the return of the S4-6 pupils doing practical work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, super_carson said: No one is stopping anyone practicing faith freely, there has been no ban on religion or religious festivals either. In fact, many religions have adapted well, providing online services and hopefully, when the weather improves, outdoor services. You mentioned a free society. Is it right, fair, or free, that business are forced into closures as a result of government legislation? We aren't living in a free society right now, and places of worship need to wait their turn. They won't help the economy bounce back which is, at this moment in time, far more important than communal prayers or services. These restrictions absolutely prevent people from practicing faith freely. Aside from all Christian festivals that we're aware of, prayers for Ramadan, Eid, Passover and many more were cancelled. On top of that, religious buildings often provide vital support for the poorest and most vulnerable in society. Lots of people who benefit from this support aren't necessarily eligible for government support, for a wide range of fairly obvious reasons. Is it right that businesses are forced into closure? No. And we will re-open them. But in the order of prioritization, non-essential businesses have to come behind religious places of worship. If it doesn't, we risk becoming a society that discriminates against minority religions in particular. The economy is not a justification for re-opening businesses. Especially when you consider that the economy is little more than the moral teachings of Adam Smith. -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 29 minutes ago, Michael W said: Places of worship being given any sort of preference is rage-inducing. Pray in the bloody house FFS. Schools are expected, but really there needs to be a plan to vaccinate at least secondary school kids. Schools will have the distinction of being the only non-vaccinated setting by August and therefore are basically going to keep the virus in circulation. Perhaps school kids aren't impacted in the same way as some are, but given what we keep hearing about spread of the virus and can't be sure vaccines stop that, schools risk pulling us all down. Not to mention the famous quote that R can't be kept below 1 thanks to the "more infectious Kent variant". There us no vaccine licensed for use in U16s. They are starting twice weekly testing using home tests from 1 March in South Ayrshire to permit the return of the S4-6 pupils doing practical work. Seems like something we can achieve in due course though. U16s already receive a number of vaccinations presently so no reason we can't get a vaccine licensed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Secular means religion plays no part in Govt. The State is seperate from the Church. So as a secular society, religion should not influence Govt decision making or hold any form of priority in such circumstances. That is not what secular means. There is nothing in the definition about separation of church and state. Religion should not influence government decision, but that is not relevant to the question being asked. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 A tremendous number of jabs and a positivity rate under 5 percent. I'm away to book two weeks in Cape Town for the start of May. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc_smfc Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Can I get my barber to meet me in a place of worship for a trim? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) But religion is, to be quite blunt, not real. We shouldn't be bending over backwards to prioritise and appease people who live their lives based on what a fictional character says. Edited February 10, 2021 by Todd_is_God 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Jan Vojáček said: A tremendous number of jabs and a positivity rate under 5 percent. I'm away to book two weeks in Cape Town for the start of May. May i recommend staying down by the V and A waterfront 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I must admit, I've been pretty pro Gov throughout this and thought erring on the side of caution was the way to go to try and stop as many deaths / serious illness as possible, however I've now got to the completely cheesed off point as there now seems no way out of this ?? We have the vaccines that they all heralded, we have all the new drugs and treatments that they said would stop lots of the fatalities, we've got a much better understanding of dealing with the virus, we've had major restrictions for months (approaching a full year) and yet over the past few days the rhetoric coming from all Governments appears to be that it's pointless, it's all been in vain and these restrictions will NEED to continue indefinitely !! Why ?? I thought it was about stopping deaths and serious illness, so have we not achieved that ?? Either the vaccine works or it doesn't surely ???? So, is this it ? is this life forever more ??, is this all we have to live for ??? The fact people are actually defending the banning of holidays just shows how screwed up / subservient our population has become, well, I'm sorry, but this simply can't go on indefinitely, another way out is needed and needed fast, before we all go bloody insane !!!This ^^^ If the vaccines have been approved too early and aren't as effective than needed to open back up just admit that as that's what it's beginning to sound like. However we know there will be no admission of error never mind guilt from Johnson and co.The great British summer was the rhetoric just 2 weeks ago, what has changed or is it just more populist soundbites ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, G51 said: That is not what secular means. There is nothing in the definition about separation of church and state. Religion should not influence government decision, but that is not relevant to the question being asked. a secular society is exactly that where the church has no influence over government policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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