Aladdin Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 If they choose not to accept a vaccine because of a religion or belief that is a protected characteristic and absolutely protected under the EA. A belief doesn’t have to be religious, it can be philosophical and I’m sure lawyers would argue that ant-vax falls under that category. People with the attitude of “f**k them, they chose not get vaccinated so exclude them from society” have no understanding of the wide ranging definition of equality.Discrimination against unvaccinated groups is indirect discrimination. That can be justified if a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.Even if being antivax was accepted as being a protected belief, the more ridiculous the belief, the easier the justification will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: No it isn’t. If vaccines don’t significantly reduce infections then vaccinated people going back to life as normal pose a risk to unvaccinated people, who are at greater risk of serious illness and death than their vaccinated counterparts But the risk is the difference between small and miniscule, with the over 50s done to 80/90% you can pretty much rule out the mortuaries getting over whelmed and be fairly confident hospitals and ICU capacity could cope obviously the reason to get immunity across all age groups is the at risk groups aren't static and are increasing all the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, 101 said: He's a genuine lunatic Spend money to help out but f**k the nhs. It's not crazy it's deliberate. Spend cash who cares what happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Here’s a good thread he did about vaccines and the opening up proposals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Zero Flu. Very strange. - Highest vaccine uptake ever achieved- Massive reduction in social contact and increased hygiene awareness- Potential that the Covid virus has an impact on the flu virus becoming dominant over it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, ICTChris said: This guy is a mathematician who posts modelling and data based analysis of the pandemic on Twitter, I’ve found his stuff very interesting. He has produced modelling on the effect of opening up. I think I understand what he's saying here. However is it not also fair to highlight that, as any "fourth wave" will be occurring within the group of people not yet vaccinated (i.e. those at least risk of severe disease), it would therefore be relatively insignificant in terms of strain on the NHS? If the vaccines work as well as they appear then any future waves would be nothing like the previous ones in terms of people filling hospitals and dying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Increased working from home was coming pre-pandemic anyway. Businesses now know (within reason) that they can still function as normal without people in the office, so I suspect very few will be 'forced' back into the office. We had already been told that at best a phased return to the office would not start until the Autumn. We're now having calls about how many days folks want to work at home but also been told that the office should not be looked on anymore for day to day working if it can be done at home - it's to be a 'collaborative' space for meetings, workshops, training etc. They're effectively wanting to stop the social side of the office and i can't help but think they've probably realised that not only are folks getting the work done, they're getting through more. Folks are likely to log on earlier, stay on a bit later and not have travel issues, folk are also less likely to throw a sickie if they can just sit on the couch with the telly on and the laptop powered up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, EdinburghPar1975 said: We had already been told that at best a phased return to the office would not start until the Autumn. We're now having calls about how many days folks want to work at home but also been told that the office should not be looked on anymore for day to day working if it can be done at home - it's to be a 'collaborative' space for meetings, workshops, training etc. They're effectively wanting to stop the social side of the office and i can't help but think they've probably realised that not only are folks getting the work done, they're getting through more. Folks are likely to log on earlier, stay on a bit later and not have travel issues, folk are also less likely to throw a sickie if they can just sit on the couch with the telly on and the laptop powered up. Indeed. That's where most places are going, my own included. Truth is the businesses that stick to rigid office working will lose talented people because the vast majority will be working flexibly. The trend is well in motion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, true_rover said: - Highest vaccine uptake ever achieved - Massive reduction in social contact and increased hygiene awareness - Potential that the Covid virus has an impact on the flu virus becoming dominant over it. Total mothballing of the hospitality sector as well... Edited February 25, 2021 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: I’ll have you know my BMI at that point in life was two pounds lighter than the designation “slightly overweight” after a haircut. It is no longer that. But also I’m 5ft 8. Of course I’m a fucking “wee man” ya p***k. Away and shite. I believe you. You certainly come across like someone who has wee man syndrome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Michael W said: Total mothballing of the hospitality sector as well... If that were the case then we wouldn't be interested when we open up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Theres no fucking way they let this particular cat out of the bag without knowing it was deliverable. I'm with you mate, I really am, but this is beyond naïve. It might be deliverable but that doesn't make it likely. I hope it is and like Tynie I really hope Boris isn't just fluffing the nation again but I can't say I have any confidence in WM or the SG to give us our normal lives back by June. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Indeed. That's where most places are going, my own included. Truth is the businesses that stick to rigid office working will lose talented people because the vast majority will be working flexibly. The trend is well in motion. Not everyone agrees with this approach. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56192048 Suspect he's trying to push water up a hill though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Theres still a lot of folk going with "but Boris overpromises" and assuming his plan isnt happening. Boris has indeed over promised several times, always in rather vague ways. What they presented the other day was pretty unprecedented through this. Theres no fucking way they let this particular cat out of the bag without knowing it was deliverable. They have all the data, the modelling etc etc. Way more than we do.The only explanation for this is that all of those at the table are in agreement that, to use the thread terminology, the vaccines are cigaring it and the protection offered supersedes any/all of the measures that are in place to the point of making them worthless. Yes, let's not forget his "always in vague ways" promising about saving that *checks notes* moveable feast Christmas, the one that comes around completely unpredictably at different times every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 58 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Sorry if it has been discussed already, noticed this last night - Can't see it myself. I can see why they went for it back in August, but there's so much pent up demand, together with the vaccinactions, I tend to think, far from being nervous about going out (although there will be some of course), folk cannot wait to go meals and pints. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I'm with you mate, I really am, but this is beyond naïve. It might be deliverable but that doesn't make it likely. I hope it is and like Tynie I really hope Boris isn't just fluffing the nation again but I can't say I have any confidence in WM or the SG to give us our normal lives back by June. I dint think I am being naive at all. Dont think it didnt cross my mind that this is yet another Boris gaffe, but if anyone wants to tell me that they see this as just the same as any of his previous, flippant comments like "over by November" or even "over by Easter" then I will respectfully say that I dont think they are very good at judging tone. This has a fully different flavour to it this time, which to me feels like they have decided what level of covid circulation (from cases to deaths) is manageable and have cross referenced this with the efficacy and progress of vaccines. Genuinely, this week has been nothing like ANY of the previous promises and I'm having a difficult time seeing the reasoning of people who are comparing them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, ICTChris said: This guy is a mathematician who posts modelling and data based analysis of the pandemic on Twitter, I’ve found his stuff very interesting. He has produced modelling on the effect of opening up. If I'm reading that right, the guy's thread says that his model is based on 37% of people having immunity from vaccination on the 21st June, which seems low given that they're promising every adult will have a shot by July. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Zero Flu. Very strange. Can't see this being a good thing for future winters, really. Think we're going to have a very bad winter flu season at some point in the coming years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 My sons' class all sent home to go and isolate for 10 days. FFS that lasted long! Falkirk area seems riddled with it just now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Steven W said: Falkirk area seems riddled But enough about that, what about Covid? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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