101 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pato said: These numbers are so incredible I think folk are just incapable of understanding the scale of the kleptocracy they live under: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/test-and-trace-spending-ps37bn-budget-small-print_uk_60412920c5b601179ec35d4a Frustrating that Scottish Tax Payer money is being spent on such an inefficient system that's not even any use to trace cross border movements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pato said: These numbers are so incredible I think folk are just incapable of understanding the scale of the kleptocracy they live under: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/test-and-trace-spending-ps37bn-budget-small-print_uk_60412920c5b601179ec35d4a In a world with vaccines there's surely far better things to spend another £15bn on than a system that has "marginal" impact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pato said: These numbers are so incredible I think folk are just incapable of understanding the scale of the kleptocracy they live under: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/test-and-trace-spending-ps37bn-budget-small-print_uk_60412920c5b601179ec35d4a Really puts a 1% pay rise into perspective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, virginton said: The final decision about how the Euros will be held has been discussed in sports media for at least the past fortnight: including the prospect of the UK/England offering to host the tournament alone. That's because UEFA are actually sounding out where national authorities lie now rather than waiting for their mythical April deadline. It's truly absurd then that people think that this is a story concocted by BBC Scotland to put pressure on the SG. It's not a mythical deadline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pato said: These numbers are so incredible I think folk are just incapable of understanding the scale of the kleptocracy they live under: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/test-and-trace-spending-ps37bn-budget-small-print_uk_60412920c5b601179ec35d4a That must be pretty close to £1,000 per adult in England - astonishing. There needs to be an Inquiry into this (yes, one of those things where the politicians get grilled for 8 hours a day.....imagine Boris and Matt coping with that) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, madwullie said: Really puts a 1% pay rise into perspective. A very quick search tells me the NHS England budget is something in the region of £140bn. I'm actually struggling to see how £22bn last year and £15bn this year will be spent on Test and Trace, especially when there's very little to show for it. Hancock at a briefing this week was wittering on about partnerships between public and private sector showing a future model for the how the government gets things done. I have to admit I was barely paying attention but I hope it wasn't this he was referring to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Pato said: Hah so they could have at least doubled statutory sick pay for everyone and actually got the thing under control but instead did this lol. And because they have spent so much money they just have to keep spending it otherwise the mask gets ripped off the whole thing They could have done this but then they would be showing people that better things are, in fact, possible - and they can't be seen to be doing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-56259035 I hope he rinses them. Sridhar should be in the dock for such inhumane nonsense. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, madwullie said: I suppose the SG could be using McLaughlin to get the idea out there that it might not go ahead to test public opinion. f**k knows why they'd have to do that though, as a fucking cave dwelling hermit could tell you that public opinion would be fucking raging and want it to go ahead at just about any cost. This has almost certainly come from the SFA, not the Scottish Government. 53 minutes ago, 101 said: They usually say a source at UEFA or the Civil Service or SFA. He just said he's had conversations wink wink. Probably with the boy serving at the Costa stand at the BBC building. Not when the organisation who is leaking the story to you doesn't want people to know it has come from them. A soft leak like this is less damaging for them. Chris McLaughlin is a useless journalist who has a fascination with seeking out negative stories about Scottish football, but he does not just pull these things out of thin air. Almost every story he runs involves some organisation playing him like a fiddle to get their particular narrative out to the public. This will be the case here, and I'd be fairly sure the SFA are behind it. The story as a whole has come from UEFA via their set of friendly journalists, and then the SFA have leaked their position to McLaughlin to put pressure on. Edited March 5, 2021 by craigkillie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pato said: How it works: Me, a consultant: Give me moneys because you need a special system to do this, also you know perhaps we will be friends in future wink wink. You, a minister: here is eleventy billion pounds. Me, sitting in solid gold house wearing sixteen bejewlled crowns one on top of another: Hey Indian coder hop to it here is one hundred English pounds. It's not quite that simple though is it. There will be actual testing kits and lab facilities to pay for. A necessity. Then you have the tracers themselves (which there have been a lot of stories about hoe effective or utilised they were). then there would be IT systems to set-up to support the whole thing. Does anyone know roughly what a test actually costs? I'd assume a lot less than the £100 or so you can buy a testing kit for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, Burnieman said: It's not a mythical deadline. It is a mythical deadline when UEFA is sounding out governments about their commitment to hosting the tournament at the beginning of March instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: It is a mythical deadline when UEFA is sounding out governments about their commitment to hosting the tournament at the beginning of March instead. The deadline was originally March, UEFA then moves that to April to allow more time for Govts/FA's to provide the guarantees. That's all fact, but given your almost permanent state of heads gone, you're adding 2+2 and getting 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 If you take a step back and ponder the fact of just how insignificantly low case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths will be in June, coupled with the entire country being jagged with vaccines which are demonstrably crushing the virus, you really do realise that there will be zero justification for any restrictions on our liberty beyond this point. Deny that, and you're simply part of the problem. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 54 minutes ago, madwullie said: Fair enough Edit: although, "for once" I'm glad you said it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pato said: I'm not saying it is without cost, but there is no way it needed to cost £37 billion. And given its ostensibly minor effect on control of spread, you'd have to question the necessity versus just paying people livable-on SSP, for which systems already existed. I wholeheartedly agree the cost has been astronomical. There have been 90m tests carried out in the UK in total (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing). I've no idea how much they actually cost the government per test. Even if you assigned the figure of what you can buy a test at the airport for £80. thats only £7.2bn (and it won't cost the government anything like that) I think there were about 18,000 tracers so it's fairly easy to put a reasonable guesswork number on that. With the above two we're less than £8bn even if we're being generous. £14bn on lab facilities and equipment and management? Not having that when you can build an entire hospital for circa 500m By no means an exhaustive analysis but It's not difficult to work out there is a lot of missing cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) The best thing about T&T is they offer over time when there's nothing to do, it's almost like they know they've got more than they need and they throw it at the staff like strippers. Edited March 5, 2021 by Stormzy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Burnieman said: The deadline was originally March, UEFA then moves that to April to allow more time for Govts/FA's to provide the guarantees. That's all fact, but given your almost permanent state of heads gone, you're adding 2+2 and getting 2021. And UEFA are now demanding those guarantees in March again instead, to present their executives with an organised fait accompli at their meeting in April instead. But good luck filing your gormless 'Glasgow says aye/naw' pledge next month, when UEFA have already autofiled anything from Scotland in the bin where it belongs. Edited March 5, 2021 by vikingTON 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stormzy said: The best thing about T&T is they offer over time when there's nothing to do, it's almost like they know they've got more than they need and they throw it at the staff like strippers. In the grand scheme of £22bn last year and £15bn this year the cost of staff (even the alleged £1,000 per day consultants) is a fraction of the amount spent. To put that into perspective Tesco increased cost by between £650m and £900m last year which included amongst other things 45,000 new staff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 And UEFA are now demanding those guarantees in March again instead, to present their executives with an organised fait accompli at their meeting in April instead. But good luck filing your gormless 'Glasgow says aye/naw' pledge next month, when UEFA have already autofiled anything from Scotland in the bin where it belongs. Can you show me where UEFA are demanding guarantees now. I have no idea what your second bit even means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 UEFA- BadSG/SNP - Good 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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