Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, madwullie said: You have let Devi and Leitch get so under your skin that you're completely entrenched the other way. You were on this non story like a dog at a bag of chips becusee it gave you the chance to put the boot in. Trivialising people's rights and freedoms. Calm down. Yes imagine letting the people who have been heavily influencing the government response to this pandemic which has been categorically fucking shite from the fucking get go annoy me. Imagine me having an issue with Leitch who thought we shouldnt worry about wearing masks and that it was a good idea to have an old firm game and lewis capaldi concerts when a new virus we knew nothing about was spreading. The same man who is gunning to get churches open back up as a priority yet folks can’t even meet their parents in the park for a coffee. Then yes also Devi, yes the same ‘make your own sunshine’ numpty making light of the significant mental health cost of this pandemic with utterly enraging shite like zero covid, when actual scientists and epidemiologists are saying there is no realistic chance of that. Yet they are absolutely lauded by the SNP fan boys, staggering. They absolutely are impinging on peoples rights and freedoms longer than necessary. I’ll qualify that by saying I am not asking for everything to be dropped right now, far from it, but we need a realisation that all the havering is unacceptable and we need to know the exact criteria they are looking at the lower and end restrictions, a government should be accountable and they are far from such right now. We have treatments that work and vaccines, when the most vulnerable are vaccinated then there is no justifiable excuse to keep these things in place, especially when the Scottish government seems to be actively adopting a ‘lets go harsher than England just to make it look like we’re more thorough’ approach. Anyone but the most dedicated of SNP supporters can see through the absolute fucking farce of the response to this pandemic. Promised ‘an adult conversation’ yet spoken to like a naughty toddler at every turn. Unable to justify why their very stringent measures are at odds with well for one wee example the scientific research that shows for example that its perfectly safe to meet up outside with social distancing observed. Ill qualify this by saying if a vaccine resistant variant emerges that will cause significant harm emerges then i fully support taking measures to deal with it. I dont oppose the first or indeed this lockdown, I simply disagree with the proposed length and extent of it, thats not an unreasonable position to take. But even remotely criticise the SNP on here and you get labelled a ‘tory’ and even a fascist. I think its reasonable to suggest even in the context of football that the SNP have got their approach to it in the pandemic absolutely wrong and should be clarifying very quickly just what their roadmap or conditions for a return to grounds will be. I am surprised that on a Scottish Football forum there are people who seemingly couldnt give a f**k about the harm a government who clearly dont really give a f**k about football is doing to the game. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Burnieman said: The decision was scheduled to be made around now, however UEFA themselves delayed it a month until April to allow more time, they done that a few weeks ago. AFAIK the April deadline is for UEFA to finalise what it is actually going to do with the tournament. It is entirely reasonable that it has commitments or not from all host cities and countries well in advance of this, so that it can set out and choose between all viable options next month. I couldn't give a toss whether Glasgow is a host city or not, but it sure is hilarious to see the SG's insistence that no business should possibly be planning with any dates in mind clashing with an international body that does actually want firm, date-based commitments and couldn't give a toss about what the dentist thinks. It's just a shame that every business within Scotland itself is still subject to these mealy-mouthed platitudes rather than a coherent planning strategy. Edited March 4, 2021 by vikingTON 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Listening to the news tonight it appears the SFA are pretty relaxed about Hampden hosting games. Constant dialogue etc etc.... fully expect Hampden to host games as scheduled. Won't be applying for my refunds just yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Billy Jean King said: Listening to the news tonight it appears the SFA are pretty relaxed about Hapden hosting games. Constant dialogue etc etc.... fully expect Hampden to host games as scheduled. Won't be applying for my refunds just yet. Wonder how many tickets the SSC will get if it's a reduced crowd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: AFAIK the April deadline is for UEFA to finalise what it is actually going to do. It is entirely reasonable that it has commitments or not from all host cities and countries in advance, so that it can set out and choose between viable options next month. I couldn't give a toss whether Glasgow is a host city or not, but it sure is hilarious to see the SG's insistence that no business should be possibly planning with any dates in mind clashing with a body that does actually want firm, date-based commitments. It's just a shame that every business within Scotland itself is still subject to these mealy-mouthed platitudes rather than a coherent planning strategy. Its not even just businesses. If you consider that the Euro’s coincide with the g7 which has been rather quickly arranged then there is a massive security arrangement which needs to be taken into consideration, for example the policing aspect, you can’t just copy and paste the plans for last year as Devon and Cornwall have put in one of the biggest mutual aid requests in history, so its entirely back to the drawing board for the emergency services planning team. The work involved in creating resourcing and accomodation and site plans even for say a fire and rescue or policing operation is massive and they also need to know under what conditions they will be doing that in terms of crowd numbers, if there will be restrictions in place and if fan zones, corporate guests etc will be there. The considerations are absolutely massive and thats before you even take into account the logistics around the teams, visitors to the city and everything else. Yes there needs to be contingency but there also needs to be well established parameters for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 AFAIK the April deadline is for UEFA to finalise what it is actually going to do with the tournament. It is entirely reasonable that it has commitments or not from all host cities and countries well in advance of this, so that it can set out and choose between all viable options next month. I couldn't give a toss whether Glasgow is a host city or not, but it sure is hilarious to see the SG's insistence that no business should possibly be planning with any dates in mind clashing with an international body that does actually want firm, date-based commitments and couldn't give a toss about what the dentist thinks. It's just a shame that every business within Scotland itself is still subject to these mealy-mouthed platitudes rather than a coherent planning strategy. I'm just clarifying the fact that UEFA are not demanding answers now, in fact they realised that the original March deadline they set last year for a decision on crowds was too soon, and delayed it until next month.Govts and FA's are working with that date in mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Is that a whoosh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Wonder how many tickets the SSC will get if it's a reduced crowd. Christ knows how they will work it. How many have already been sold (I've got one for all 4 Hampden games via UEFA) and of those how many will have been sold to folk outwith Scotland who will not be allowed to attend if as expected it's " home" as in host venue nation supporters only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 41 minutes ago, madwullie said: Haha totally. "Aha, I knew this was the case all along." "They changed their minds because of us." I wasn't suggesting that. I assumed that take from the other day was firmly tongue in cheek. Aye of course 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Sorry m8, but this is patronising "I'm handling the pandemic better than you, let me now advise you what to think" nonsense As opposed to the usual group-think Edited March 4, 2021 by madwullie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, madwullie said: As opposed to the usual group-think ^^^ DAFC found 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 13 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: Wonder how many tickets the SSC will get if it's a reduced crowd. Christ knows how they will work it. How many have already been sold (I've got one for all 4 Hampden games via UEFA) and of those how many will have been sold to folk outwith Scotland who will not be allowed to attend if as expected it's " home" as in host venue nation supporters only. Anyone over 10 points should get to go to each game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yes imagine letting the people who have been heavily influencing the government response to this pandemic which has been categorically fucking shite from the fucking get go annoy me. Imagine me having an issue with Leitch who thought we shouldnt worry about wearing masks and that it was a good idea to have an old firm game and lewis capaldi concerts when a new virus we knew nothing about was spreading. The same man who is gunning to get churches open back up as a priority yet folks can’t even meet their parents in the park for a coffee. Then yes also Devi, yes the same ‘make your own sunshine’ numpty making light of the significant mental health cost of this pandemic with utterly enraging shite like zero covid, when actual scientists and epidemiologists are saying there is no realistic chance of that. Yet they are absolutely lauded by the SNP fan boys, staggering. They absolutely are impinging on peoples rights and freedoms longer than necessary. I’ll qualify that by saying I am not asking for everything to be dropped right now, far from it, but we need a realisation that all the havering is unacceptable and we need to know the exact criteria they are looking at the lower and end restrictions, a government should be accountable and they are far from such right now. We have treatments that work and vaccines, when the most vulnerable are vaccinated then there is no justifiable excuse to keep these things in place, especially when the Scottish government seems to be actively adopting a ‘lets go harsher than England just to make it look like we’re more thorough’ approach. Anyone but the most dedicated of SNP supporters can see through the absolute fucking farce of the response to this pandemic. Promised ‘an adult conversation’ yet spoken to like a naughty toddler at every turn. Unable to justify why their very stringent measures are at odds with well for one wee example the scientific research that shows for example that its perfectly safe to meet up outside with social distancing observed. Ill qualify this by saying if a vaccine resistant variant emerges that will cause significant harm emerges then i fully support taking measures to deal with it. I dont oppose the first or indeed this lockdown, I simply disagree with the proposed length and extent of it, thats not an unreasonable position to take. But even remotely criticise the SNP on here and you get labelled a ‘tory’ and even a fascist. I think its reasonable to suggest even in the context of football that the SNP have got their approach to it in the pandemic absolutely wrong and should be clarifying very quickly just what their roadmap or conditions for a return to grounds will be. I am surprised that on a Scottish Football forum there are people who seemingly couldnt give a f**k about the harm a government who clearly dont really give a f**k about football is doing to the game. OK mate, we're all entitled to our opinions. It doesn't change the fact that, compared to most of the stuff that is going on just now, it's not a massive restriction on our rights and freedoms not to be told now if we can go to games in June. Which was the initial point. And FYI I clearly said I think (and want) the games to go ahead. Everything is black and white on here - there's absolutely no nuance. It's possible to point out that story is pish without being a sturgeon worshipping football hater 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, virginton said: ^^^ DAFC found ^^^ Bully found 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 At least all the chat about uefa has meant we've not yet got to the banter about the new variant under investigation and worrying about the yet to be discovered Allanton variant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Go on, what ideology are people who disagree with the SNP trying to push here, im genuinely interested. I'm saying you've adopted a fixed position on how we should emerge from the lockdown. That absolutely colours your response to everything. Edited March 4, 2021 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Nice to see that the SG have turned their attention to "zero something else" now that the zero covid utopia is a distant dream. Good luck to them with this one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Anyone over 10 points should get to go to each game?I'm only on 9 and at full crowds I would easily get a Wembley ticket so yes but remember if say 12k allowed in it might mean a pretty small amount available given what has been sold already. Presumably all those sold to supporters outwith Scotland would be cancelled and refunded but you just need to look on the TA thread to see how many got them via the UEFA original sales. I'd be keen to sell on or get a refund for my Czechs v Croatia ticket If I can get one for Wembley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rugster said: Is that a whoosh? Only the ultimate one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: So no fans at games at Hampden for the Euro’s but England will have full capacity Typical Scotland national team situation tbh. Qualify for a major tournament for the first time in decades. Have games scheduled at your home stadium. Covid deaths falling. Yet the powers that be cant allow fans to an outside venue where covid transmission is 20 times less than indoors. I've been annoyed at both the UK and SG throughout all this, but if we lose games at Hampden that will be one of the most frustrating things so far 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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