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[Guest]

Nothing to see here as suspected.

April 12th is the deadline date Uefa have given and Ireland, Spain & Scotland have said they'll confirm closer to the time when they have a better understanding of the situation.

So Yes, it was all scaremongering.

Any decent journalist would  have worded it, "Scotland , Ireland and Spain have until April 12th to sanction the return of fans to their stadia or they risk losing their host city's for the finals".

But of course that wouldn't have caused the desired "outrage"...............

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

11 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Having no football fans at an international tournament is really shit - it doesn't really qualify as massive restrictions on people's lives though 

So restricting peoples right to freedom and movement is not a massive restriction? That’s an interesting point of view. 

[Wee Bully]

It's quite conceivable that UK Gov could commit to working towards 25% / 50% for at least 5 of the 7 games at Wembley which, at this stage, would more than satisfy UEFA.
If the SG cannot / will not commit to working towards 13,000 at Hampden, and instead say 2k or even 5k, then it's quite obvious the Hampden games will get shifted down the M74/M6

So it is “conceivable” that the UKG “could commit”, but not the same for the SG?

Has the UKG committed yet, or is this just this afternoons knicker wetting?

[Rugster]

23 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I'm not on twitter or facebook and was only going by the tweet posted here. 

There was nothing in that tweet or this discussion which mentioned either Dublin or Bilbao until now, so again it's not just us obviously.

You ever heard of a thing called google?

[craigkillie]

4 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

 

So it is “conceivable” that the UKG “could commit”, but not the same for the SG?

Has the UKG committed yet, or is this just this afternoons knicker wetting?

I'll refer you to the several pages of posts above for an answer to that.

[G51]

16 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Nothing to see here as suspected.

April 12th is the deadline date Uefa have given and Ireland, Spain & Scotland have said they'll confirm closer to the time when they have a better understanding of the situation.

So Yes, it was all scaremongering.

Any decent journalist would  have worded it, "Scotland , Ireland and Spain have until April 12th to sanction the return of fans to their stadia or they risk losing their host city's for the finals".

But of course that wouldn't have caused the desired "outrage"...............

come on man, just take the L

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

 

So it is “conceivable” that the UKG “could commit”, but not the same for the SG?

Has the UKG committed yet, or is this just this afternoons knicker wetting?

 

As I said, we have until the 12th April, this is just a nonsense story full of "could", "would", "might" etc 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/euro-2020/2021/glasgow-dublin-and-bilbao-could-be-cut-from-hosting-european-championship-games-reports_sto8159236/story.shtml

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Rugster said:

You ever heard of a thing called google?

Yes and I've posted the link to the full article rather than the cherry picked pieces of it.

Still, if people vote down the facts then what's the point.........

[Todd_is_God]

8 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

So it is “conceivable” that the UKG “could commit”, but not the same for the SG?

 

Yes. It's conceivable because doing so fits within the framework of the roadmap the UK Gov published.

Right now it's not conceivable for the SG to do the same, no. As their roadmap was the equivalent of a driveway.

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

As I said, we have until the 12th April, this is just a nonsense story full of "could", "would", "might" etc 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/euro-2020/2021/glasgow-dublin-and-bilbao-could-be-cut-from-hosting-european-championship-games-reports_sto8159236/story.shtml

Can you show where it says the 12th of April, please?

Edited March 4, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Its absolutely staggering that people can be so entrenched in their support for political parties that they would argue night was day just because people dare to criticise their wee view of the world. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Can you show where it says the 12th of April, please?

It's actually the 7th I'll give you that, however the same argument stands.

We have until the 7th April, this is the 4th of March and there's nothing stated from the SG to make anyone think it's likely to be a negative outcome, even though it's being sold like that.

On Wednesday, Scotland's Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said that being part of the Euros was "a really big deal" for her country.

But she added that fans being able to attend depended on "all of us abiding by the rules", cases falling, and the take-up of vaccines.

"We certainly should be able to celebrate our national team playing in the Euros, hopefully winning in the Euros, and we'll see whether or not it's possible at any point along that road for fans to actually be present to witness that," she said.

[Todd_is_God]

I'm not sure how anyone can read this:

"The governments in Scotland, Republic of Ireland and Spain respectively have been reluctant to give UEFA assurances about the number of fans it could allow into their venues by the time the tournament starts, due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

 

All three nations are taking a more cautious approach than the other nine host cities, who are more optimistic about what the situation will look like by June."

 

 

And come to the conclusion that everyone is saying the same thing to UEFA.

[G51]

14 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

As I said, we have until the 12th April, this is just a nonsense story full of "could", "would", "might" etc 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/euro-2020/2021/glasgow-dublin-and-bilbao-could-be-cut-from-hosting-european-championship-games-reports_sto8159236/story.shtml

 

No one is saying "The Scottish Government has fucked this"

What we're saying is "If the Scottish Government f**k this, it will be unforgivable"

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, WATTOO said:

It's actually the 7th I'll give you that, however the same argument stands.

We have until the 7th April, this is the 4th of March and there's nothing stated from the SG to make anyone think it's likely to be a negative outcome, even though it's being sold like that.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, G51 said:

No one is saying "The Scottish Government has fucked this"

What we're saying is "If the Scottish Government f**k this, it will be unforgivable"

That's fair enough actually and I wouldn't disagree.

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

It's actually the 7th I'll give you that, however the same argument stands.

We have until the 7th April, this is the 4th of March and there's nothing stated from the SG to make anyone think it's likely to be a negative outcome, even though it's being sold like that.

On Wednesday, Scotland's Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said that being part of the Euros was "a really big deal" for her country.

But she added that fans being able to attend depended on "all of us abiding by the rules", cases falling, and the take-up of vaccines.

"We certainly should be able to celebrate our national team playing in the Euros, hopefully winning in the Euros, and we'll see whether or not it's possible at any point along that road for fans to actually be present to witness that," she said.

Freeman taking one final fall before being sent to the glue factory. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

5 minutes ago, G51 said:

No one is saying "The Scottish Government has fucked this"

What we're saying is "If the Scottish Government f**k this, it will be unforgivable"

Absolutely! If the vaccine roll out continues, if the research continues to show a massive fall in cases, deaths and hospital demand (indeed the alert status has already been downgraded across the 4 nations of the UK) all continue to fall then there is no argument to continue with restrictions, especially given the fact genetic research shows Tcell immunity to new strains is very strong and the existing vaccines react well to prevent serious harm and death in all known strains. 
The chicken little approach that the government and so many of the make your own sunshine brigade have fostered is dangerous. People’s lives are absolutely being ruined, its not just about a football tournament. We put our faith in democratic process and were promised all manner of things in terms of the pandemic response and have had none of this. People on here may wish to just shut down forever because of the as yet undiscovered Hampden strain but many of us want to move on, as indeed all the scientists worth listening to also agree. 
No one is even arguing for 50k punters at Hampden, lets go for 20k, still get a cracking atmosphere, can even unnecessarily social distance out our nuts, lets even let Devi sing the national anthem or something to make her feel important?  

[s_dog]

FFS, it's the BBC who've ran with this stuff about Glasgow & Dublin risking being cut, they admit its a whole month before any host has to submit plans, yet they say "it's understood that the next few days will be crucial". Total non-story.

And WTF kind of comment is this in their article?

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According to one source with knowledge of tournament planning, the position on fans in Dublin and Glasgow is currently "very bad".

Utter pish. 

Sky News: In a statement issued to Sky Sports News on Wednesday, UEFA said: "Since the tournament was announced, as to be staged across 12 countries, it has remained UEFA's intention to stage it in 12 countries."

Inside World Football: UEFA has sought to shoot down an agency report that it is considering ditching three of the 12 cities being used for this summer’s delayed Euro 2020.No other plans are being pursued,” UEFA said in the briefest of statements after the Associated Press said it had been told that Bilbao, Dublin and Glasgow could be scrapped.

 

[Burnieman]

So just to clarify, the SG (and all Govts) have 4-5 weeks to provide final data/assurances to UEFA over crowd attendance at the Euros.

Why are people losing their heads over speculative media reports?  is someone at the SFA / UEFA playing them to increase the pressure on SG I wonder.

That said it would be unforgivable if the SG's decisions lead to problems with Hampden and fans attendance at the Euros, but if anyone has learned anything over the last 12 months is that there is no way the SG will provide public committments a month before they need to, and they're probably already working with the SFA on this.