Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[realmadrid]

On 27/03/2021 at 20:34, Gaz said:

I assume of course that the collection plate won't be getting passed around?

We certainly did not yesterday or in the 2 months late last year when Kinnoull was open.

A box at the door which has to sit in a safe for a week before anyone can touch it with the preference as it has been for years for members to switch to a monthly standing order. 

Hardly anyone in the church pre pandemic was using cash anyway so this will have shifted things further.

[realmadrid]

On 27/03/2021 at 21:00, Shipa said:

No-one's got any change anymore, they'll have to pass the card machine!

We are looking at getting one, were you in the zoom call last week.

The church of Scotland however have had a system for the last 11 months where you can use their website and donate to your local church so the need for physical cash is very small.

[NorthernLights]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I had a glance back but couldn't see it. Hopefully certain posters don't take offence if it has.

5,000 people attend COVID-19 experiment gig in Barcelona

[die hard doonhamer]

1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

i'll be controversial here. I like interacting with others at work. I'm currently part time WFH and in the office . when I am in the office others are on their WFH days so it's only about 20% full. I find this & full time WFH both to be very isolating . and absolutely shite for learning and experience gaining, when your all sat together you can look over to someone to see what they're doing before you ask them a question, you just can't call someone on teams multiple times a day without becoming a pest. .  we never really went for pints as a team but we did do such basic every day shit as getting rolls for breakfast and sitting together to eat them.  The people here are not my "mates" as such but it's better than sitting yourself all day - either at home or in the office

I don't think that it's particularly controversial, tbh. My preference before I moved to a different team would have been similar, but I'm now in a situation where the rest of my team as based elsewhere, so there is little value in being in the office other than from a social point of view. So I'll go in every couple of weeks to retain that a bit.

[Thereisalight..]

38 minutes ago, NorthernLights said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I had a glance back but couldn't see it. Hopefully certain posters don't take offence if it has.

5,000 people attend COVID-19 experiment gig in Barcelona

YIp, it was talked about on here yesterday 

[Thereisalight..]

Another weirdo spouting fear and doom and gloom. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 hours ago, Gaz said:

Given that 90% of the fun of fives is booting lumps out of each other it sounds absolutely horrific

I know this is digressing, but why is that your view? 5s is about skill, speed and touch, among other things. I certainly don't support the non-contact view, but there's nothing worse than some idiot charging about in studs either too stupid or clumsy to co-ordinate a tackle.

[D.V.T.]

I’m guessing there'll be confirmation of schools going back full time today or tomorrow. Aren’t some meant to be going back on the 12th?

[Honest_Man#1]

11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I know this is digressing, but why is that your view? 5s is about skill, speed and touch, among other things. I certainly don't support the non-contact view, but there's nothing worse than some idiot charging about in studs either too stupid or clumsy to co-ordinate a tackle.

This is the classic old guy view, barely want any contact and raging when someone tackles them. That being said, I agree in principle that it’s annoying if someone is just a useless chopper who is constantly hacking at your legs without getting near the ball.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

19 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Another weirdo spouting fear and doom and gloom. 

I dont necessarily think its fair to suggest what’s quoted there makes him a ‘weirdo’ hes overly cautious because his focus is infectious diseases and I genuinely think there will be a need for testing etc for the next wee while, he’s not talking about shutting down travel etc there, its imo as close to a realist position as you are going to get from someone on the science side of things. I dont agree that domestic vaccine passports are necessary if we maintain 90% odd of the population taking up vaccine offers, from a purely economic standpoint is that even worthwhile (unless there’s a tory donor who can profit off this??). But internationally i think its reasonable so long as there is testing for people who medically cannot be vaccinated. Especially for travel to countries with a slower vaccination rate. 

[David W]

7 minutes ago, D.V.T. said:

I’m guessing there'll be confirmation of schools going back full time today or tomorrow. Aren’t some meant to be going back on the 12th?

Nah, it's supposed to be confirmed next week, 6th I think. During the holidays  

It's a good thing that schools are a bit better organised than the government but if the goalposts are shifted again...

[Sergeant Wilson]

Just now, Honest_Man#1 said:

This is the classic old guy view, barely want any contact and raging when someone tackles them. That being said, I agree in principle that it’s annoying if someone is just a useless chopper who is constantly hacking at your legs without getting near the ball.

Maybe you're a approaching that age bracket. (I'VE GOT MY WORK IN THE MORNING YA EEJIT!)

I'm inbetween, I don't go expecting to be kicked but realise realise I'm slow enough that it's inevitable I'll get tackled and clumsy enough to mistime mine. I just don't understand making a virtue out of it.

[Thereisalight..]

6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

I dont necessarily think its fair to suggest what’s quoted there makes him a ‘weirdo’ hes overly cautious because his focus is infectious diseases and I genuinely think there will be a need for testing etc for the next wee while, he’s not talking about shutting down travel etc there, its imo as close to a realist position as you are going to get from someone on the science side of things. I dont agree that domestic vaccine passports are necessary if we maintain 90% odd of the population taking up vaccine offers, from a purely economic standpoint is that even worthwhile (unless there’s a tory donor who can profit off this??). But internationally i think its reasonable so long as there is testing for people who medically cannot be vaccinated. Especially for travel to countries with a slower vaccination rate. 

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

[Billy Jean King]

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

Of course we need to monitor strains for years to come as at some stage vaccines will need to be tweaked to cater for any mutations. As for passports, I presume you class the UKG as "weirdos" given that's who's floated the idea ?

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

[vikingTON]

54 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I know this is digressing, but why is that your view? 5s is about skill, speed and touch, among other things. I certainly don't support the non-contact view, but there's nothing worse than some idiot charging about in studs either too stupid or clumsy to co-ordinate a tackle.

Speed, skill and touch are completely irrelevant if you remove any semblance of tackling. You seem to have confused it for a game of passy-shoot. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by vikingTON

[Thereisalight..]

3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Of course we need to monitor strains for years to come as at some stage vaccines will need to be tweaked to cater for any mutations. As for passports, I presume you class the UKG as "weirdos" given that's who's floated the idea ?

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

Passports domestically are a creepy idea, so yes I’d call the UKG weirdos for suggesting it 

vaccines are doing their job so there is no need to accept anything less than the way things were pre March 2019. Of course it would be forever, they wouldn’t go to all the expense for something that was going to be for a month or two. We’ve compromised enough over the last year, I don’t think we should compromise any more once the elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated twice 

[vikingTON]

18 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

Why does there have to 'be compromise' when vulnerable groups are protected to the greatest extent possible by a fucking battery of different vaccines? What is the actual fucking purpose of this 'compromise'? 

If you follow this line of argument then it will actually be 'forever' - because it is unlikely that society will be any more protected in the future than this summer. If you accept the variant pish now then you are signing up to more variant pish indefinitely. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by vikingTON

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

27 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

Well we are alert about trends and mutations in flu as they inform the vaccination program so he’s right that we will need to do the same with covid, because each year with an ageing population more people will fall into the realms of being clinically vulnerable to covid. Its not a get a vaccine once and that’s it type thing, it will be recurring (in the vulnerable groups only imo) forever now along with flu vaccines. 
Continuing to monitor the virus will also let us be better prepared for any new epidemics etc too. Very little of this will actually impact your life, but it will dominate the scientific world and given thats the standpoint he is speaking from its genuinely not an outrageous position. 
If you ask a subject matter specialist an opinion on something that falls into their remit they will offer the most direct solution to the problem faced without taking into account other variables, which is exactly whats happening here, he’s working from an ideal scenario, some of which will happen, some wont due to pressures from outside the domain of science/competing demands. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, virginton said:

Why does there have to 'be compromise' when vulnerable groups are protected to the greatest extent possible by a fucking battery of different vaccines? What is the actual fucking purpose of this 'compromise'? 

If you follow this line argument then it will actually be 'forever' - because it is unlikely that society will be any more protected in the future than this summer. If you accept the variant pish now then you are signing up to more variant pish indefinitely. 

I do agree we wont see continued uptake of the vaccines at this level after restrictions are fully released so this summer is basically as good as we will get it. 

[The Moonster]

30 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

We still keep an eye or two on the flu, I'm not sure why we wouldn't do the same for this virus. Testing will eventually disappear but I don't think it's unreasonable to test people who show symptoms for the foreseeable future if it helps us control it. "Being alert" to covid doesn't necessarily mean you are living under restrictions. He mentions social distancing but I really don't see that lasting in the long term.