Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

How on earth can they do that? Any date given now would just be wishing on a star.

Given they don't actually do anything, I, personally, just want to know that they are going to be removed as soon as possible. There is no reason why this should not be at some point this year either, even if a specific date is not yet determined.

Becoming permanent, or hanging around "just in case" would be unacceptable.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Dons_1988]

I would imagine at some point the legal requirement for masks will be lifted but we'll be asked to continue on public transport/shops as a social norm.

And then they'll disappear forever.

[Bairnardo]

Given they don't actually do anything, I, personally, just want to know that they are going to be removed as soon as possible.
Becoming permanent would be unacceptable.

Masks, like social distancing, are just things that folk are more than welcome to do if they want.

Once again, its a bit of a strawman argument to say they still have a benefit. No one is looking for the government to say DO NOT WEAR MASKS ANYMORE.

Its the fact that they have passed laws and will treat as a criminal anyone who doesn't.

And back we come to the point about the NHS being under threat.

There's a real sinister air about the way certain folk are calling to be endlessly protected from others. I'm not actually convinced that its even about covid19 in a lot of cases. I think there's a lot of vaccinated people really keen for society to help them stay away from their lessers

[deegee]

I think we are simply at the point where the majority of folk are fatigued with the whole situation and don’t understand why/ what the rules are, and on what basis they are implemented.

Going for a walk yesterday afternoon, the co-op was as busy as ever with loads of folk popping in for a few odds & ends (as was myself) yet the butcher has a strict two customers only limit. Up the street, the cafe and bakers had the ridiculous plastic shield on the front door and folk packed on the pavement  more likely to cause a accident as they huddled and queued for the ubiquitous takeaway coffee. Same as the barber across the road with another group of fellas chatting outside and waiting for their “appointment” in line with regulations.

The trendy furniture shop was re-opened and busy but the shoes and gift shops either side remain closed. What the owners of these businesses must think as they see supermarkets in town packed with greetings cards, shoes, clothing, garden trinkets etc all been on sale the whole time. The bar/ restaurant across the road hasn’t been open for months, yet in late Summer in line with keeping customers safe invested in improving table spacing, track & trace, outdoor seating etc. 
 

The “data, not dates” mantra was a lot of gibbering pish, as is the paranoia about “third waves” whilst conveniently forgetting the vaccine rollout. We never have had the adult conversation and my snapshot above was just my observations about one village street on one afternoon. Frankly it’s gone beyond “three weeks to save the NHS” or “flattening the curve” and it’s more about personality politics in my view. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Masks, like social distancing, are just things that folk are more than welcome to do if they want.

Once again, its a bit of a strawman argument to say they still have a benefit. No one is looking for the government to say DO NOT WEAR MASKS ANYMORE.

Its the fact that they have passed laws and will treat as a criminal anyone who doesn't.

And back we come to the point about the NHS being under threat.

There's a real sinister air about the way certain folk are calling to be endlessly protected from others. I'm not actually convinced that its even about covid19 in a lot of cases. I think there's a lot of vaccinated people really keen for society to help them stay away from their lessers

There's probably a bit of that, but I think we as a species don't naturally treat each other like we're all disease ridden lepers  and to do so for a prolonged period of time is unhealthy and will have people unable to ever properly relax. as for masks, 1, they do next to f**k all  & 2 so much of our communication is down to non verbal facial expressions , even in Asia it wasn't like people would wear them from 9-5 whenever they were out, it was only in crowded city places and even then it was never a majority that did so

[Detournement]

Spotted this on Twitter earlier. People like this are why the world is fucked.

 

[stuart87]

Spotted this on Twitter earlier. People like this are why the world is fucked.
 

I assume Brian also loves a bowl of Pedigree Chum and licking his own arse.

[The Moonster]

Have we gone full circle on masks then?

When first shouted about we were told that British people wouldn't stand for it and that they didn't work anyway, then we were told they do actually work, they're just not obviously 100% effective, but now we're back to "masks don't do anything"?

[Bairnardo]

Have we gone full circle on masks then?
When first shouted about we were told that British people wouldn't stand for it and that they didn't work anyway, then we were told they do actually work, they're just not obviously 100% effective, but now we're back to "masks don't do anything"?

Personally don't think they have much to contribute in an almost fully vaccinated society tbh. But again, I am only against them being written into law.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

1 minute ago, The Moonster said:

Have we gone full circle on masks then?

When first shouted about we were told that British people wouldn't stand for it and that they didn't work anyway, then we were told they do actually work, they're just not obviously 100% effective, but now we're back to "masks don't do anything"?

I haven't, I never wanted them and can't wait till they GTF . 

[Burnieman]

[emoji1787] I assume Brian also loves a bowl of Pedigree Chum and licking his own arse.

Well if it's good enough for his dog......

[The Moonster]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Personally don't think they have much to contribute in an almost fully vaccinated society tbh. But again, I am only against them being written into law.

That's fine. I'm not sure I can get on board with the "masks don't do anything" line though. 

[superbigal]

On 01/04/2021 at 15:02, superbigal said:

 

Daily Cases Update:   5 Days of updates.  Well I never.  Cases down 22% and positivity down to 2.2%.  We are now down 83.75% from the peak.

Do we deserve to wait another couple of weeks before only actually returning to shitty level 3 ?   Perhaps the 6 people in total who have Covid in D&G  and Scottish Borders might disagree.   Feel free to quote little sections from below as it is hard to decide what to highlight.   Clearly Clacks needs eradicated of the face of the earth. 

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 28th March to 3rd April  were  3440 now 2680 down 22.09%. Positivity was 2.5% now 2.2%.   Cases per 100k were 63.0 now 49.1

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average  55.4 to 44.0, England  54.9 to 43.9,  Wales 37.8 to 28.7, Northern Ireland 56.7 to 49.4

NHS Progress  Forth Valley  97.5 to 95.9, Lanarkshire 102.0 to 70.0, Greater Glasgow 78.6 to 62.9,   the rest all under Scottish average.

European (Above 2 Million Population) Shockers: Serbia 494 to 515, Hungary 499, Poland 470, France 415, 

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Area that even the rat catchers avoid club

Clackmannanshire  196.0 to 240.6  Up another 22.76% the Grimmest area in the UK by a factor of over 75%

Under 100 Club could do better club

Renfrewshire  105.5 to 94.9 

West Lothian 133.3 to 89.6   Down 32.78%

North Lanarkshire  131.5 to 89.1  Down 32.24%

Glasgow City   80.7 to 72.8

Falkirk   92.0 to 70.2

East Ayrshire  61.5 to 68.0  A blot on the landscape up 10.57% 

Stirling  53.1 to 60.5 Another blot on the landscape up 13.94%    

South Lanarkshire 70.5 to 49.6 

Under Scottish Average club 49.1

Dundee City 77.0 to 48.2  Down 37.40%

Fife  43.9 to 47.7  

Midlothian  53.0 to 47.6

North Ayrshire 85.3 to 43.0  Down virtually 50%

Angus 40.4 to 42.2 

Perth & Kinross  42.1 to 38.8

East Lothian  43.9 to 37.4

West Dunbartonshire  69.7 to 37.1  Down close to 50%

Moray 67.8 to 34.4  Down close to 50%

East Dunbartonshire  74.6 to 34.1 Down well over 50%

City Of Edinburgh   53.9 to 34.1  Wow a huge city down 36.73%

East Renfrewshire   69.1 to 31.4  Down well over 50%

Aberdeen City 41.5 to 30.2

Havana & Malt Whisky club Sub 30.0

Aberdeenshire   30.2 to 26.8

Highlands  8.9 to 18.2

South Ayrshire 26.6 to 17.8

Inverclyde 24.4 to 15.4

Argyll & Bute   7.0 to 9.3

Shetland Islands  13.1 to 4.4

Scottish  Borders   12.1 to 3.5   4 people with covid !!!

Dumfries & Galloway 12.8 to 1.3  2 people with covid !!!

Western Isles   0.0 to 0.0

Orkney Island  0.0 to 0.0  

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

That's fine. I'm not sure I can get on board with the "masks don't do anything" line though. 

Why? There isn't a shred of evidence outwith highly controlled laboratory environments that they do anything.

Neighbouring States in America with mask / no mask mandates have observed similar infection curves, states where they have removed the mandates have observed no increases, Sweden has fared OK, even in the same country (Denmark) where they had mask mandates in certain regions and none in others saw no real difference at all. 

Masks, like the obsession with sanitising surfaces multiple times per day, remain because of a stubborn refusal from experts to admit anything they have advised implementing has been futile.

[Detournement]

7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

That's fine. I'm not sure I can get on board with the "masks don't do anything" line though. 

It's been proven in a study in Germany that the mask wearing as practiced by the general public with cloth masks and unrated masks has close to zero impact. 

Masks used properly work. What you see in a supermarket here is a complete waste of time.

[The Moonster]

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Why? There isn't a shred of evidence outwith highly controlled laboratory environments that they do anything.

 

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's been proven in a study in Germany that the mask wearing as practiced by the general public with cloth masks and unrated masks has close to zero impact. 

That's a problem with poor quality masks rather than masks themselves being useless. If I cough with a mask on, less of my germs will land on surfaces around me. That surely helps. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Why? There isn't a shred of evidence outwith highly controlled laboratory environments that they do anything.

Neighbouring States in America with mask / no mask mandates have observed similar infection curves, states where they have removed the mandates have observed no increases, Sweden has fared OK, even in the same country (Denmark) where they had mask mandates in certain regions and none in others saw no real difference at all. 

Masks, like the obsession with sanitising surfaces multiple times per day, remain because of a stubborn refusal from experts to admit anything they have advised implementing has been futile.

It's mental, I think their logic on it is they're pretty sure what they said about fomite on surfaces and face coverings is pretty wide of the mark, but if we change now, (especially on masks as that would be a doubling back to their original position) then the public won't take us seriously when we learn more about this, so just keep everything we said so far

[Detournement]

9 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

 

That's a problem with poor quality masks rather than masks themselves being useless. If I cough with a mask on, less of my germs will land on surfaces around me. That surely helps. 

It helps but to the same extent as wrapping a towel round a burst pipe. 

As I said last week. The main benefit of masks has been allowing supermarkets to function normally due to the magical thinking they inspire. 

[pandarilla]

Today's numbers are beautiful. I was worried that student party in Dundee would prevent us going to level 3 (and me getting a game of snooker).

Anyone got the latest hospital numbers? Are they also falling?

And what is the target for doing into level 2?

[TheScarf]

44 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Why? There isn't a shred of evidence outwith highly controlled laboratory environments that they do anything.

Neighbouring States in America with mask / no mask mandates have observed similar infection curves, states where they have removed the mandates have observed no increases, Sweden has fared OK, even in the same country (Denmark) where they had mask mandates in certain regions and none in others saw no real difference at all. 

Masks, like the obsession with sanitising surfaces multiple times per day, remain because of a stubborn refusal from experts to admit anything they have advised implementing has been futile.

You see people wearing masks, queuing 2 metres apart waiting outside to get into Asda.  Completely pointless wearing them outside.