Honest_Man#1 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, super_carson said: Our annual salary is just split evenly over 12 months so we get the same pay each month. If you're on a temporary contract it can be a bit different though. I don’t understand how that’s different to any job with an annual salary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, there is. Engagement levels were through the floor. How are you measuring 'engagement' in an objective manner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, virginton said: How are you measuring 'engagement' in an objective manner? Ma two didny like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) I know quite a few teachers, and whilst the holidays thing is pretty cool, i don't think a single one of them considered that a major factor in wanting to become a teacher. Most had perhaps slightly naive ideas of "making a difference" or some similar birthday caird pish, and the money isn't terrible, but no amount of holidays a year could possibly persuade me or indeed anyone sane, to spend several hours a day trying to teach a roomful of 30-odd wee arseholes stuff they aren't remotely interested in. F**k that for the proverbial game of dominoes. Edited June 1, 2021 by Day of the Lords 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, virginton said: How are you measuring 'engagement' in an objective manner? By looking at how many pupils would access work via Teams, submit work that's been set, or turn up for live lessons. Comparing such numbers to how many typically attend when schools are open in a conventional sense, presents a pretty compelling picture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 A teacher would typically work on about 55% of the days in a year. That sounds wonderful. I'm fond of the idea that if a date was randomly plucked from a calendar, there would by a better than 50/50 chance of that date being either a day off or a Friday. However, in terms of days off outwith weekends, teachers are on holiday for about a quarter of the time. I'm not saying that's bad; it's just about a month less than a third, as was claimed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I don't want to read too much into this but it doesn't sound overly-encouraging. On the positive side, she's not talking about rising case numbers alone. She's talking about them in terms of vaccination progress and also the SG have in general started talking about the link between cases and hospitalisations/deaths. So there's some more encouraging noises there. We'll just have to wait and see. No area should be moving back up a level. I think the worst case will be another few weeks of everyone on Level 2 but we'll need to see.Anyone choosing teaching because of the "holidays" really does not know what they are letting themselves in for.I remember one student teacher who told a colleague that was one of the reasons she was doing it - she didn't last longer than 5 weeks on her placement once the reality dawned on her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: By looking at how many pupils would access work via Teams, submit work that's been set, or turn up for live lessons. Comparing such numbers to how many typically attend when schools are open in a conventional sense, presents a pretty compelling picture. No, that would measure 'attendance', not 'engagement'. There are plenty of students who are physically present in a classroom and have absolutely zero engagement in what they're being told to do or learn. It's extraordinary that you're unaware of the difference between those two things. Edited June 1, 2021 by vikingTON -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: No, that would measure 'attendance', not 'engagement'. There are plenty of students who are physically present in a classroom and have absolutely zero engagement in what they're being told to do. It's extraordinary that you're unaware of the difference between those two things. It's utterly extraordinary that you appear to see the two as unrelated. Presence isn't the same as engagement, but even the most disaffected child will usually feel some compulsion to actually listen and commit to something resembling output, however reluctantly, at points during most days. It would certainly be rare for someone to turn up each day for three months, yet utterly fail to acquire, infer, or produce anything, which is precisely what happened with many, many pupils during the lockdowns. Obviously, I can't possibly compete with your insight on this, but that would be my humble take on it if you'd be good enough to allow it. Thanks. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I cannot wait till the vaccines are rattled in and we have ~90% of adults fully vaccinated to finally shut the fucking mewling up once and for good. Quote Posted at 17:10 What happened when a whole town in Brazil was vaccinated? Video content Video caption: How the whole town of Serrana was vaccinatedHow the whole town of Serrana was vaccinated A Brazilian town has seen a 95% drop in Covid-19 deaths after almost all adults were vaccinated as part of an experiment, researchers say. Serrana in south-eastern Brazil saw cases plunge after a mass vaccination with the Chinese-developed CoronaVac. The research team conducting the experiment said those who had not been vaccinated were also protected by the reduction in the virus's circulation. The findings suggest the pandemic can be controlled after 75% of people are fully dosed up. The town of 45,000 was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses. When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that: Deaths fell by 95% Hospitalisations fell by 86% Symptomatic cases fell by 80% Read more here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's utterly extraordinary that you appear to see the two as unrelated.Presence isn't the same as engagement, but even the most disaffected child will usually feel some compulsion to actually listen and commit to something resembling output, however reluctantly, at points during most days. Teacher of the year material here, with this hilariously low benchmark set for the advantages of classroom learning. A child is obliged by law to stay in a supervised room all week and produces some output = successful engagement with the education system! Quote It would certainly be rare for someone to turn up each day for three months, yet utterly fail to acquire, infer, or produce anything, which is precisely what happened with many, many pupils during the lockdowns. Quite clearly you've never witnessed further or higher education then. Quote Obviously, I can't possibly compete with your insight on this, but that would be my humble take on it if you'd be good enough to allow it. Thanks. Your take wasn't so 'humble' five minutes ago when you were claiming that physical attendance at school was the smoking gun evidence that face to face learning was more engaging than distance learning. So consider it tossed into the bin where it belongs until you come up with better evidence. Edited June 1, 2021 by vikingTON -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkey Tennis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: Teacher of the year material here, with this hilariously low benchmark set for the advantages of classroom learning. A child is obliged by law to stay in a supervised all week and produces some output = successful engagement with the education system. Quite clearly you've never experienced further or higher education then. Your take wasn't so 'humble' five minutes ago when you were claiming that physical attendance at school was the smoking gun evidence that face to face learning was more engaging than distance learning. So consider it tossed into the bin where it belongs until you come up with better evidence. Good Lord. I didn't describe anything as "successful engagement with the education system". I recognise however that it outstrips complete detachment from it. The rest is just rather embarrassing, typically mean spirited ignorance. How foolish. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Good Lord. I didn't describe anything as "successful engagement with the education system". I recognise however that it outstrips complete detachment from it. The rest is just rather embarrassing, typically mean spirited ignorance. How foolish. ^^^ verge of tears We started off with a claim that online learning was not necessarily less engaging than the face to face equivalent, which you harrumphed at based on the fact that you can compel children to produce work inside a classroom. I'm really not interested in your attempt to shift the goalposts from student engagement, now that it's abundantly clear that you've got no idea how to measure that outcome. Edited June 1, 2021 by vikingTON -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, virginton said: ^^^ verge of tears We started off with a claim that online learning was not necessarily less engaging than the face to face equivalent, which you harrumphed at based on the fact that you can compel children to produce work inside a classroom. I'm really not interested in your attempt to shift the goalposts from student engagement, now that it's abundantly clear that you've got no idea how to measure that outcome. You're sticking with the claim that there's nothing to suggest that pupil engagement is altered by the absence of in-person learning then? I suppose I'd best leave you to it. Intruding on such want seems improper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: You're sticking with the claim that there's nothing to suggest that pupil engagement is altered by the absence of in-person learning then? Try reading my original post again without making a c**t of yourself again this time. Edited June 1, 2021 by vikingTON -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 hours ago, oaksoft said: Nah. I'm not having that. It's a branch of mathematics. Own it my friend. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroMoutinho Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 The Edinburgh evening news saying that there’s no reviews scheduled for the next 3 weeks so all the areas staying in level 2 won’t be moving till June 28th. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/edinburgh-set-to-remain-in-level-two-restrictions-until-june-28-3257781 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said: The Edinburgh evening news saying that there’s no reviews scheduled for the next 3 weeks so all the areas staying in level 2 won’t be moving till June 28th. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/edinburgh-set-to-remain-in-level-two-restrictions-until-june-28-3257781 Quite possible then that, come June 21st England could be restriction free while parts of Scotland are still in Level 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Thats ballparks in California moving to full crowds in a fortnight. Easily one of the most pro-lockdown states. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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