DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Masks aren't a zero sum game, ie. they work or they don't. It's about how much they reduce the viral load transmitted and whether they're worth the bother.Didn’t VT describe it as a giant hankie for the clatty b*****ds who don't cover their mouth or face when they cough or sneeze? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Johnny van Axeldongen said: It could be classed as shortsighted, but when it comes to opening up you're moving the target onto the young from where it should be – the government. They're the ones keeping restrictions in place until the groups who statistically don't get ill, and don't die, get vaccinated. They might not die but they certainly get ill and pass it on. It's such an easy thing to do that helps everyone, I don't understand the resistance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: They might not die but they certainly get ill and pass it on. It's such an easy thing to do that helps everyone, I don't understand the resistance. I imagine the appalling Scottish government messaging might be something to do with it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Must report a joyful return to live football last night. So much better than watching live streams on an iPad. However, sad to say that about 95% of people were wearing masks throughout. I was sitting beside my son (both unmasked) and was chided by a woman in the row below about us breaking the rules. I retorted that we were father and son to which she pointed to the man seated 4 seats along from her ‘He’s my husband’!! What can you say about just how brainwashed the public have become. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 12 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Same at Saints. Some weirdo clearly complained as part way through the 2nd half there was an announce reminding people they had to wear a face mask, which was met by total silence as not one person bothered Id have said the opposite The areas of the ground i was covering had just about 100% compliance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They might not die but they certainly get ill and pass it on. It's such an easy thing to do that helps everyone, I don't understand the resistance. Not sure it’s necessarily resistance. That probably accounts for some of the unvaccinated but I’d guess that general uselessness accounts for a lot too. I don’t recall having a dentist between leaving home and eventually getting married and spent about half of that time still registered with the GP where my parents lived. Not to mention having a different address each year and never sorting out mail forwarding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mr X said: Im no scientist but Im guessing some boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny van Axeldongen Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't understand the resistance. Potential long-term issues with the vaccine seems to be a common concern from young'uns I've talked to, particularly from younger females. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: Not sure it’s necessarily resistance. That probably accounts for some of the unvaccinated but I’d guess that general uselessness accounts for a lot too. I don’t recall having a dentist between leaving home and eventually getting married and spent about half of that time still registered with the GP where my parents lived. Not to mention having a different address each year and never sorting out mail forwarding. Could well be that, plus why ever it is that younger age groups vote in fewer numbers than the old, who they then blame for not getting the result they want. Drop in centres will hopefully sort out the misdirected post and those with no GP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 57 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: 17k vaccinations is a disgrace and should be an emptying for our incompetent health minister. Read an interesting take albeit from James Melville, yesterday’s cancer deaths are greater than the sum of the last 40 days covid deaths. Dont know if thats England alone hes referring to or the whole of the UK. You seem to have missed the point. It wasn't 17k due to supply etc it was 17k because that's all that chose to get jabbed yesterday. We are long past the blue envelope stage it's now up to the under 30s to either make an appointment or use a drop in, thus it's much more flexible for them. They appear not to be bothering and this was always a chance by removing the given appointment scheme. I know it wasnt to do with supply, thats why its a disgrace. They’ve failed to win the argument. 12 minutes ago, Johnny van Axeldongen said: Potential long-term issues with the vaccine seems to be a common concern from young'uns I've talked to, particularly from younger females. It absolutely is a failure of the government to not combat the misinformation and brain dead pish about 5g and all the rest. Want to get the vaccines into arms, have vaccination events etc too. Id make it compulsory but some people think peoples facebook research on mercury means their objections are somehow valid. Just having roving bands of nurses led by Tynieness stoating about armed with pfizer darts for all it matters. Edited July 14, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RiG said: Not everyone at the football shouts (especially at ICT where most fans sit and that's it), fans are spaced out at much greater distances than some of the restaurants I've been in / seen, plenty of people in restaurants are shouting, cheering and laughing when they're having a good time (much like at the football) and we've been told since the start that being outside presents an intrinsically reduced risk of transmission than being in indoor places like pubs and restaurants. I think continuing to have folk at football wearing face coverings all the time is OTT and a little relaxation wouldn't be unfair or present a significantly increased risk. No, not everyone shouts at football and not everyone sits in silence in a restaurant. However, theres more chance of it happening at the football and less in a restaurant. Im sure, if it were practical, the advice would be to wear a mask in restaurants too. Makes it kind of difficult to eat though. Whats happening here is that hospitality is getting a bit of leeway to allow them to open, not that football is being punished. 14 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: some boy Edited July 14, 2021 by Mr X 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 More than one person I know has had to miss there first appointment because they have tested positive in the last 28 days, wonder if the high case rates, especially amongst younger people have an impact, with people missing because they are positive. Also it is fucking stupid that we are sticking to the 8 week interval which no other country seems to be doing. I can understand if the supply isn't there, but since it is, we should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just now, Turkmenbashi said: Also it is fucking stupid that we are sticking to the 8 week interval which no other country seems to be doing. I can understand if the supply isn't there, but since it is, we should. Can't see the JVCI changing their guidance now and Governments would be daft to ignore them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 101 said: Can't see the JVCI changing their guidance now and Governments would be daft to ignore them. Northern Ireland are ignoring them and doing second doses quicker. The JVCI will "modify" their recommendation with political pressure. No brainer. Your not telling me for instance it is taking them this long to decide on jabbing kids or not. Carefully waiting for the primed time to say yay or nay. Edited July 14, 2021 by superbigal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mr X said: No, not everyone shouts at football and not everyone sits in silence in a restaurant. However, theres more chance of it happening at the football and less in a restaurant. Im sure, if it were practical, the advice would be to wear a mask in restaurants too. Makes it kind of difficult to eat though. Whats happening here is that hospitality is getting a bit of leeway to allow them to open, not that football is being punished. Wearing a mask while socially distanced, outside is an utter nonsense and completely devalues the point of wearing a mask. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said: More than one person I know has had to miss there first appointment because they have tested positive in the last 28 days, wonder if the high case rates, especially amongst younger people have an impact, with people missing because they are positive. Also it is fucking stupid that we are sticking to the 8 week interval which no other country seems to be doing. I can understand if the supply isn't there, but since it is, we should. 4/5 weeks seems to be standard here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champions Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 57 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Nobody detests masks more than me but nobody is buying this story at all. There is absolutely no chance you were taken to task by a woman at the football last night. None. At all. Why on earth would you even think of posting that? Can confirm said story. Tbf it was unclear as to whether it was banter due to the mask wearing, but the issue was more to do with sitting together, and they were sitting apart before seeing the light and sitting together 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, RiG said: Not everyone at the football shouts (especially at ICT where most fans sit and that's it), fans are spaced out at much greater distances than some of the restaurants I've been in / seen, plenty of people in restaurants are shouting, cheering and laughing when they're having a good time (much like at the football) and we've been told since the start that being outside presents an intrinsically reduced risk of transmission than being in indoor places like pubs and restaurants. I think continuing to have folk at football wearing face coverings all the time is OTT and a little relaxation wouldn't be unfair or present a significantly increased risk. The football policy seems to be designed around the big city teams where there is likely to be more risk of transmission getting to and from the ground than from people sitting watching the game, even at full capacity. I don't see any reason why ICT should have any limits unless you get one of the ugly sisters in a cup game, and masks off when you sit down, same as a restaurant. And no need for masks whatsoever at Clach once you're through the turnstile, or maybe when buying a pie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, superbigal said: Northern Ireland are ignoring them and doing second doses quicker. The JVCI will "modify" their recommendation with political pressure. No brainer. Your not telling me for instance it is taking them this long to decide on jabbing kids or not. Carefully waiting for the primed time to say yay or nay. Interesting didn't know NI was doing that. The JVCI shouldn't now to political pressure or hold back decisions however we are in uncharted territory for this UK government all bets are off on how they operate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just been down to the walk in. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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