Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[BlueBear]

13 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

[Steven W]

8 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

I see Scot Gov seem to be doubling down on social distancing ‘continuing to be an important tool in keeping transmission down’ and ‘part of the collective civic duty we owe each other’.

Are we going to see an artificial reopening in August where places like football stadiums are technically allowed unlimited numbers but are in fact heavily restricted by social distancing requirements?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-hold-us-back-hospitality-firms-tell-sturgeon-rf76m26kb

Yes

[Elixir]

These despicable c**ts, man.

 

[BlueBear]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9776675/Hospital-waiting-lists-rocketing-13MILLION-warns-Savid-Javid.html

"Hospital waiting lists are rocketing towards 13MILLION, warns Savid Javid as he says 'very British' attitude of not wishing to overburden NHS during Covid pandemic is leaving millions untreated and undiagnosed" 

The penny appears to have dropped with Javid, but will he do anything about it? Will he have the resources to do anything about it. 

The article goes on...... 

"Earlier, Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard, chairwoman of the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, said deaths were beginning to rise again too.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'We've only just heard in this bulletin about the rising numbers of cases, the rising numbers of people requiring hospital treatment, in intensive care and sadly deaths are starting to rise again, too.

'There seems to be a misapprehension that life will return to normal from then (July 19), and that we can throw away all the precautions, and frankly, that would be dangerous.'

Well, wtf does she know? She needs to get on P&B. 

Edited July 11, 2021 by BlueBear

[Steven W]

3 hours ago, craigkillie said:

You have been one of the most miserable individuals on this thread since day one, so at least you're staying on brand.

Aye cause life's fucking great now isn't it? 

 

2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Maybe but his analysis of what she has said is correct for the time being.

Sturgeon very clearly spent the last week laying the groundwork for level 0.5 for 19th July with social distancing measures still in place come 9th August.

[Wee Bully]

5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

At limiting the spread of the virus?

Yes I'm persuaded that both lockdown and social distancing have helped there.

But we have vaccines now so it's time to remove those restrictions.

The only restriction I have ever said was useless is masks and the claim that they work in themselves.

 

So why were you responding to my post which had nothing to do with that?  

Start an argument in an empty house you.

[Billy Jean King]

Boris ain't going to be too chipper tomorrow I suspect.

[The Master]

Italy moving to the red list?

[The Master]

The BBC cutting from their Breakfast presenters sitting 2m apart on the sofa, to behind-the-scenes footage of Lineker et al. celebrating England’s opener with BBC branding in full view, was certainly an interesting editorial choice. 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

7 hours ago, The Master said:

Italy moving to the gold list?

FTFY 

[Left Back]

What time is Boris making his announcement today?

[Jamie_B]

No idea about the timings but my prediction is he'll make an announcement that is startlingly brief but couched in quite optimistic terms, won't engage with the questions he is asked, then the documentation supporting all of this (be it advice, new legislation, whatever) will be published and reveal that in actual fact "freedom day" is quite a bit less free than they had all hoped for.

[Billy Jean King]

RoI finally reopening indoor hospitality but only on a proof of vaccination / recovery basis.

[BlueBear]

Nicola should be chirpy. Maybe open up the fitba. 

Then again maybe no. She'll at least be having a good chuckle and ridicule that moron Boris. Not that he needs help. 

[welshbairn]

35 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said:

No idea about the timings but my prediction is he'll make an announcement that is startlingly brief but couched in quite optimistic terms, won't engage with the questions he is asked, then the documentation supporting all of this (be it advice, new legislation, whatever) will be published and reveal that in actual fact "freedom day" is quite a bit less free than they had all hoped for.

And then backtrack in a week when the Wembley lag kicks in.

[Michael W]

Johnson to confirm the 19th goes ahead in England tonight. 

I wonder what caveats will be thrown in? And of course there are 7 days for the u-turn. 

[Lofarl]

Jab two done.  A few are off work again because that app alerted them.  So works gonna be busy again.  Have to wait two weeks for it to take effect then I can hopefully do some jabbing of my own.

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

...Published science is rammed to the rafters with mistakes and fellow scientists arguing the toss for decades...

It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain...

[strichener]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain...

Or on the case of mask wearing, ignore all the other measures that are in place and are introduced at different times in different ways as it make the studies too difficult. Ignore the lack of co-ordination with different jurisdictions and the lack of easily obtainable information regarding these measures and then present a paper that states mask wearing reduces transmission by X% with 95% confidence.  Absolutely made up science.

Edited July 12, 2021 by strichener

[Wee Bully]

31 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Could say more good news.

This a good step forward in eventually dealing with this and at least we get an idea why this post infection issue occurs.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/12/long-covid-rogue-antibody-discovery-raises-hope-of-blood-test

Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test

Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’

Scientists have raised hopes of a blood test for long Covid after discovering distinctive patterns of rogue antibodies in patients whose symptoms persisted for months.

Researchers at Imperial College London identified so-called “autoantibodies” in long Covid patients that were absent in people who recovered quickly from the virus, or who had not tested positive for the disease.

Unlike normal antibodies which help fight off infections, autoantibodies attack healthy tissues by mistake, causing ongoing damage and illness through the equivalent of biological friendly fire.

With the further easing of coronavirus restrictions in England on 19 July, some scientists believe the UK should be braced for hundreds of thousands of cases of long Covid, a condition where patients experience symptoms such as chronic fatigue, breathlessness, muscle pain and headaches.

“It’s hard to escape a prediction that 100,000 new infections a day equates to 10,000 to 20,000 long Covid cases a day, especially in young people. That’s a lot of damage to a lot of lives. And it’s hard to see that we’d have the healthcare provision to deal with it on that scale,” said Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial. “All of us working on this could not be more alarmed.”

Prof Altmann’s research on a blood test for long Covid was filmed as a work-in-progress for BBC’s Panorama and is at a very early stage. “I’m fairly optimistic, so I’d hope that within six months we’d have a simple blood test that you could get from your GP,” he told the programme.

Altmann and his colleagues took blood samples from dozens of Covid patients and healthy individuals who have not had the virus. The populations of antibodies in the blood differed markedly between long Covid patients and those who recovered from the virus swiftly or had not tested positive.

While antibodies are a crucial line of defence against infection and prevent coronavirus from invading human cells, the immune system sometimes misfires and produces autoantibodies that attack healthy cells by mistake. In previous work, a team led by Akiko Iwasaki at Yale University found that some Covid patients have rogue antibodies that attack their organs, tissues and the immune system instead of the invading coronavirus.

In December, the Department of Health announced that it was setting up dozens of long Covid clinics in England to provide specialist care for people with ongoing symptoms. According to the Panorama team, four of the clinics only see patients that were hospitalised with Covid, while at others, patients faced waits of up to six months to be seen. Freedom of information requests submitted by MPs have highlighted similar problems.

The Department of Health said: “The government rapidly provided specialist care for acutely ill Covid-19 patients at the start of the pandemic and we’ve matched that speed and scale in our support for people with long Covid.”

BBC Panorama – long Covid: Will I ever get better?” will be broadcast at 7.35pm on Monday on BBC One.

 

A waste of time.  virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it?