Todd_is_God Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, Abdul_Latif said: Unpopular opinion, but I’m looking at how much furlough has cost the government and thinking it’s fucking mental it even happen in the first place. I don't think it was meant to last 18 months tbh. It was originally planned for 3. But once they started it, they couldn't pull it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: I don't think it was meant to last 18 months tbh. It was originally planned for 3. But once they started it, they couldn't pull it. Absolutely agreed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The overriding point you make here is true. However, the success of these measures ultimately relied on a large percentage of compliance, due in no small part to fear and a magic furlough money tree. If the Government, after giving people their lives back, turn round after 16 months of restrictions and an incredible vaccine programme and say "nope, we can't go back to normal yet" I just can't see the public at large sticking to restrictions again. Those who have been flouting the rules throughout aren't scared, those going to events etc now clearly aren't scared, and if 16 months and a massive vaccine rollout isn't enough, then people will quite rightly not believe that a wee month lockdown later in the year will turn the tide. Furlough is ending, and there is no appetite for another 6-12 months of lockdown. The game is up for restrictions. That'sthe point that may well drive any future decisions. I hope there won't be any future restrictions, but I suspect it's not as black and white as you make out. The government has an established history of U-turns, and the fact is that the mood in country actually supports some kind of lockdown being in place. Everything is still in the balance, as far I can see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: It has to be up. As I say repeatedly the elderly/vulnerable are long double dosed. Vaccines were the end game. They cant uturn on that. Either they have faith in the vaccines or they dont. Currently they're simpering on some sort of middle ground. They aren't, they are in a slow burn lifting which is aimed at appeasing Lovejoys. If they genuinely believed lifting all legal restrictions would result in the need for a further lockdown (and the associated costs) they wouldn't have done it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: the fact is that the mood in country actually supports some kind of lockdown being in place. I think it's impossible to say what the overall mood in the country is tbh. What is reported in various polls is not reflected in what you see in pictures and videos of football stadia / racecourses / London during the Euros etc. Taking the result of a YouGov poll of around 1,000 people as reflective of the mood is no better than taking this thread as being reflective of the mood. Both are effectively echo chambers filled with user lists at opposite ends of the spectrum. Turn off the furlough tap, flood the media with images of gigs / people enjoying their lives again etc and see the overall mood then. Edited July 24, 2021 by Todd_is_God 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MP_MFC Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How many tickets you getting for that? Hopeful Motherwell let some away fans next weekend for our game. Talk is 2-2500 in the away end next Sunday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, mizfit said: Had a quick glance of his twitter,,what a boring melt. I'm sure his 140 followers hang on his every word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: Infections drop 18 days in a row. So in fact they start dropping right after the school holidays start. Would it be insanity to start betting my mortgage on the wild guess that infections start increasing again from around the middle of August.....just around the point where schools go back again ? Why the f**k do the government and health authorities not start admitting that the drive in cases is directly connected to kids in school ? Why would they rise again? More jagged and more immune through infection. You aren’t grasping this herd immunity concept are you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: Talk is 2-2500 in the away end next Sunday. That would be amazing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, mizfit said: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Admittedly I've only looked on the BBC news and sky news pages, but absolutely nothing about the protests in Glasgow and London today. I find that strange as they were quick to praise/condemn other marches like BLM, Rangers, Palestine, euro crowds etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Thereisalight.. said: Admittedly I've only looked on the BBC news and sky news pages, but absolutely nothing about the protests in Glasgow and London today. I find that strange as they were quick to praise/condemn other marches like BLM, Rangers, Palestine, euro crowds etc Nice day out? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Had a quick glance of his twitter,,what a boring melt. I'm sure his 140 followers hang on his every word.I don’t understand why so many people are worked up about sports days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Nice day out? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Left Back said: Why would they rise again? More jagged and more immune through infection. You aren’t grasping this herd immunity concept are you? If it works, brilliant, and if it doesn't I won't blame them for giving it a go, basically I agree with the strategy. But the rest of the world including the WHO are saying it's dangerous for a reason, if you let transmission go rampant, even with the vulnerable protected, the more chance the virus has to mutate into something deadlier and vaccine resistant, and that's not something that would only affect the UK. Wuhan 2.0. Nothing is risk free. All the signs are that it's working though, so fingers crossed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Not sure that bragging about recovering from the virus so quickly and branding everyone else as shitebags is the best look for the Health Secretary of the UK government. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, Left Back said: Why would they rise again? More jagged and more immune through infection. You aren’t grasping this herd immunity concept are you? It's a fact that a huge number of cases are occuring amongst unvaccinated children in schools and colleges. Once these schools go back in, I'll guarantee that case numbers will rise. More cases amongst schoolchildren = more parents isolating together with the fact that these cases are reported daily in news outlets, adding to the perception that this is a disease that is rife amingst the general population = a belief amongst many that continued restrictions are necessary. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Admittedly I've only looked on the BBC news and sky news pages, but absolutely nothing about the protests in Glasgow and London today. I find that strange as they were quick to praise/condemn other marches like BLM, Rangers, Palestine, euro crowds etc Why should they give the oxygen of publicity to these fucking nutjobs? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mizfit said: I don’t understand why so many people are worked up about sports days. I think I said this before but the kids I teach all said they much preferred sports day this year without parents being there. Probably goes to show that a lot of the complaining about events like nursery graduations, sports day, primary school leavers proms etc. comes from parents who want to plaster it all over the social media for likes and comments. Young folk will have been disproportionately shafted long term by all of this, but we don’t discuss that anywhere near as much as you seem to hear complaints about parents being banned from school events. Edited July 24, 2021 by super_carson 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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