Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Forever_blueco]

Just now, Lyle Lanley said:

Does anyone think they will iift the restrictions in the next few weeks or will extend them. 

I think if England doesn’t budge they will have to lift them 

[Abdul_Latif]

Just now, Lyle Lanley said:

Does anyone think they will iift the restrictions in the next few weeks or will extend them. 

Pretty sure the ground was just laid there for all of them being binned, but likely with a caveat of fully vaccinated people having perks such as shorter isolation etc.

[Todd_is_God]

No new restrictions is good.

It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.

Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.

The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The length of time until the next elections could save the SNP. That and the other parties not inspiring anyone. Not a glowing endorsement of the current state of Scottish politics.
Personally, I’m done with continually voting SNP on the ‘jam tomorrow’ promise of maybe, if the reckless Tories allow it, maybe getting a vote on independence, while watching the SNP’s attempts to govern the country.
 

Watching DRoss right now would back that view up.

[Trogdor]

Did she just say not to overinterpret studies. The irony, she's overinterpreting the number of cases. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Trogdor

[Todd_is_God]

8 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Is it just me or does she keep checking her watch?

Tbf she has a time limit, and there is a timer in the chamber that she won't have in a cupboard.

[Monkey Tennis]

4 minutes ago, ddfg said:

Large scale sporting events risk being superspreaders so shut them down, schools and school age children are proven to be superspreaders so she chooses to keep them open. Basically public health only takes precedence when it suits her agenda?

If the agenda involves prioritising education over football, that doesn't sound too outrageous.

[Bairnardo]

No new restrictions is good.
It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.
Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.
The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

The inference that data is not being constanty interrogated is absolutely seethe inducing tbf.

[Trogdor]

2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Watching DRoss right now would back that view up.

Watching Ross is laborious.

[Billy Jean King]

Why not?
 
 
If we are going to live with it like like a cold then isolating those with mild illness needs to go. 

You think nursing staff with infections should be working with potentially vulnerable patients many who will have compromised immune systems be that a cold, flu or Covid. It didn't happen pre Covid and won't happen in the future thankfully. That's crazy stuff.

Yes Covid will become endemic and lived with but there will still be the same exceptions that have always existed. If one thing comes out of all this it will be that we need to stop "soldiering on" with infections and infecting swathes of work colleagues never mind those they care for.

[LongTimeLurker]

9 minutes ago, ddfg said:

Large scale sporting events risk being superspreaders so shut them down, schools and school age children are proven to be superspreaders so she chooses to keep them open. Basically public health only takes precedence when it suits her agenda?

That was what was so moronic about a lot of what they were doing earlier this year. You can't pick and choose based on political expediency if you want to make an actual difference to the extent that the Australians were able to. So much high risk stuff was being kept open that the whole process of slowly ramping up the nanny state restrictions over low risk activities like sparsely attended lower league football was a complete waste of time. The wave was still going to keep rising and people were still going to be infected regardless.

Edited December 29, 2021 by LongTimeLurker

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Why not?
 
 
If we are going to live with it like like a cold then isolating those with mild illness needs to go. 

We know that for those with underlying health issues there is still a concern - it's fine saying it's mild for that individual - that may not necessarily be the case for the clinically vulnerable.

Perhaps the real issue is that NHS staff who have tested positive cannot return to work even if they are returning negative test results later on.

[anotherchance]

6 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Did she just say not to overinterpret studies. The irony, she's overinterpreting the number of cases. 

Shout out to the Denmark data she misunderstood last week.

[EdinburghLivi]

"Financial support for businesses in Scotland is proportionally higher than in England".

Some brass neck comparing Scotland and England with the relative restrictions lol

[Billy Jean King]

Who sunk the heid into Sarwar lol, that's some lump above his eye.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

No new restrictions is good.
It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.
Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.
The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

I think it's a more positive briefing than the one some expected.

Definitely right about the data regard "with Covid" "for Covid" - it would give a much clearer picture, especially for ICU admissions.

[Elixir]

30 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

15,849 new cases of COVID-19 reported*

63,238 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*

28.9% of these were positive

3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive

36 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (34 on Christma Eve)

679 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (536 on Christmas Eve)

ICU admissions barely moving, with generic hospital numbers swollen by incidental admissions, despite high case numbers.

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold, being made more of an issue by ludicrous isolation rules for health staff who aren't actually unwell?

[Distant Doonhamer]

12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

No new restrictions is good.

It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.

Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.

The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

That's pretty much my take on the update as well.

No new restrictions and an acknowledgement that looking at the data re those in hospital because of Covid and those with Covid is crucial are good things (Agree we should have been doing this already).

Share your frustrations too but surely nobody was really expecting anything different at this stage. 

Good to hear we now have 2,901,719 folk having had 3rd dose/booster.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, EdinburghLivi said:

"Financial support for businesses in Scotland is proportionally higher than in England".

Some brass neck comparing Scotland and England with the relative restrictions lol

Good point. The majority of financial aid that hospitality / events businesses in England will need right now is to foot their SSP / CSP bills brought on by staff being forced to isolate.

[Distant Doonhamer]

Just now, Elixir said:

ICU admissions barely moving, with generic hospital numbers swollen by incidental admissions, despite high case numbers.

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold, being made more of an issue by ludicrous isolation rules for health staff who aren't actually unwell?

Yes I think the hospital and ICU numbers are very positive.