Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Detournement]

Just now, doulikefish said:

Yip

As much as the drama queens and clipes amongst us would like to stay in lockdown forever we need to do what every other country in Europe is doing and start easing the lockdown before the beginning of summer.

[Jacksgranda]

11 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

The obvious difference is that if Labour were to offer a financial rescue package similar to this government then they would be attacked for it.

"Same old Labour.  Spending other people's money.  Who's going to pay for it."

They would also be attacked for the lack of PPE for NHS staff.

Also for not acting quickly enough to halt the spread of this disease.

Not that I am suggesting any bias in the media. 

Definitely these two.

Probably also the third one, too.

[Herman Hessian]

12 minutes ago, Wee Willie said:

Really?

yeah - don't you think it'd be better if the electorate had a choice of two viable potential governments rather than feeling coerced in to voting for one party against their collective conscience simply because the other are so limited ?

utopian maybe, but bi-partisanship works for everyone's benefit if there's a sensible opposition in place to challenge the incumbents, rather than allowing them to coast along unchallenged and pretty much do as they please on a whim, safe in the knowledge that they'll be returned again at the next election

anyway - politics forum for this pish - apologies for going off piste...

Edited April 15, 2020 by Herman Hessian

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

Really? I've only clocked a few talking about this

Italy, Spain, Germany, Austria, Norway, Denmark that I've seen. 

[Herman Hessian]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

Wee bit premature

hmmmm - that's the problem with spending most of the day looking at all the fucking nursey pics on here !

 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

37 minutes ago, Herman Hessian said:

who knew that the Association of Naughty Nurses was an actual thing !

I’m guessing @Alert Mongoose does. 
Unless he’s affiliated to their rival, the Association of Milfy Medics.

[Jacksgranda]

20 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

There's maybe nothing they can do, throat cancer's a bit of a c***, I had a brother-in-law killed by it, although another b-i-l made a recovert.

Normally I would see this neighbour on a regular basis, but I'm hardly out the door now, and even when I am it's usually the back yard I'm in, so I'm not sure about his prognosis, I'm only going by what my wife said.

As I said his daughter's a nurse, she'll keep him right about his entitlements, I'd think.

Update - he was talking to my wife again - she was out painting the summer seat in the front garden, and he kept well back - his daughter is chasing this up on his behalf. However, the in between neighbours apparently have Covid-19 in the house. We share a path and an entry with them, although to date our paths haven't crossed, basically because neither myself nor my wife has been out (other than my wife in the front garden) and me leaving the bins out every week.

They seem to be in and out of the house like yoyos, but that's maybe just paranoia on our part. The parents have no need to be out, they're both in their late 70s, he's a lollipop man and she's a classroom/kitchen assistant and the schools are closed. The son must be furloughed by now but the daughter works in a care home. The mother was in hospital last week and apparently contracted it in there.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

6 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Yeah same. Wee bit premature to say everyone's easing lockdown imo.

And Spain and Italy are only easing slightly from far stricter lockdown rules than the UK.

[ICTJohnboy]

3 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Is that regardless of whether or not we still have the virus?

 

Fair question.

Coming out of lockdown too soon, could serve to make matters 100 times worse.

[Granny Danger]

25 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Trying to out Tory the Tories?

 

I think asking for some forward planning is not unreasonable.  Planning has been in short supply both before and during this crisis.

[ICTChris]

What would a lockdown be like in countries like Spain and Italy during summer?  Heat waves kill people as well, I'm sure a few years ago thousands of deaths in France and Spain were attributed to a significant heatwave.

[doulikefish]

No surprise to hear the "jezza" hb wants to get on with getting out of lockdown before the actual real number of dead is known 

 

[ICTJohnboy]

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

What would a lockdown be like in countries like Spain and Italy during summer?  Heat waves kill people as well, I'm sure a few years ago thousands of deaths in France and Spain were attributed to a significant heatwave.

 

Probably.

But at least it gives the Meeja something different to talk about.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, doulikefish said:

No surprise to hear the "jezza" hb wants to get on with getting out of lockdown before the actual real number of dead is known 

 

It's going to happen. More people will be back at work from the beginning of May and restrictions on socialising will probably be gone from the start of June which is the 12 weeks estimated at the very start.

Those that are vunerable or just terrified of the virus will be free to stay inside.

[ICTChris]

I think people want to see some sort of end point to this lockdown and want to understand what they are looking for - levelling off of hospital deaths, infection rates, ICU occupancy?  I understand why people want that but I also understand why the government and health authorities don't want to publicise it.  It's not like they can say - "500 deaths a day and we're all godo to go lads!"  They will want to take a lot of things into account. 

I have seen it written that if the cases level off, you really need the lockdown to last another two to three weeks at an absolute minimum to get things back under control before any easing.  Maybe the easing could be very incremental, stuff that could be easily rolled back quickly if cases rise, or could be done geographically but that comes with pitfalls as well.

[Herman Hessian]

2 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

What would a lockdown be like in countries like Spain and Italy during summer?  Heat waves kill people as well, I'm sure a few years ago thousands of deaths in France and Spain were attributed to a significant heatwave.

has there been any sensible input with regard to whether or not summer heat will  mitigate the effects of the virus ?

i get the impression that this was just wishful thinking going back to when it was first characterised as "a bit like flu" which is generally worse in colder conditions, that and the fact that it's still perceived as a massive threat in Africa and the Indian subcontinent where it's already that much warmer....

[Detournement]

13 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Is that regardless of whether or not we still have the virus?

The number of cases is never going to be zero. 

[ICTChris]

1 minute ago, Herman Hessian said:

has there been any sensible input with regard to whether or not summer heat will  mitigate the effects of the virus ?

i get the impression that this was just wishful thinking going back to when it was first characterised as "a bit like flu" which is generally worse in colder conditions, that and the fact that it's still perceived as a massive threat in Africa and the Indian subcontinent where it's already that much warmer....

I don't think anyone knows.

[Gaz]

We'll come out of lockdown as soon as the Government's cost-benefit analysis determines the projected amount of people dying from months and months of economic and social stagnation is more than the projected amount of people dying from the virus and associated effect on the NHS.

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I don't think anyone knows.

I’ll do some calculations if you want...