Detournement Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, H Wragg said: Genuine question about temperature checks... Does a high body temperature caused by a fever somehow show up any different from one which is simply due to 'normal' reasons (eg. Due to just having undertaken exercise/wearing more layers of clothing than needed)? Is the test measuring the temperature of a different part of the body which can distinguish between the 2? Wearing extra clothes won't lift your body temperature by much. Doing HIIT style exercise might do it briefly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 There was a cluster of 8 positive tests in port glasgow from a pharmacy. Think they should just nuke the port to be on the safe side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: There was a cluster of 8 positive tests in port glasgow from a pharmacy. Think they should just nuke the port to be on the safe side. It's in the methadone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Victoria's been back in lockdown for 3 weeks, doesn't seem to be doing much good. Graph shows daily cases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53589817 Edited July 30, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Describing a virus as "very dangerous" when it has sent no one to ICU in 21 days, and caused 1 death in the same time frame is ridiculous. Already laying the groundwork for digging the feet in again in 3 weeks time as well Tunnel vision towards getting to zero cases, something which is likely impossible so long as our borders remain open. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Meh, I’d accepted we won’t be in phase 4 until schools have been back for a period, and until nearer the end of the JRS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 14 September lads.....indicative date for reopening sports stadiums with SDing in place 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Detournement said: There's no evidence that what you have described is seasonal and not to do with patterns of movement introducing the virus at different rates. What we are seeing in Australia and Catalonia is probably down to the virus incubating in high density, poor quality housing during lockdown and transmitting to the wider community once lockdown is lifted. I was thinking along those lines too, didn't know how to word it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Describing a virus as "very dangerous" when it has sent no one to ICU in 21 days, and caused 1 death in the same time frame is ridiculous. Already laying the groundwork for digging the feet in again in 3 weeks time as well [emoji854] Tunnel vision towards getting to zero cases, something which is likely impossible so long as our borders remain open.Lolol you should have waited 30 seconds !!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 At least another 3+ weeks until a game of fives is horrible. But there's a good chance I might be able to get to a Clyde game when the season starts, which is positive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 14th of September for gyms, due to clincial advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 The authorities can't win - hundreds dying every day - why don't they do something? Authorities do something - nobody dies - why have we still got restrictions? 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauzen Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Sturgeon ripping Jackson Carlaw a new one on telly... great viewing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 14th of September for gyms, due to clincial advice. Again, I'd be interested to see that clinical advice compared to that for indoor pubs. Given that's still 6 weeks away, I can see quite a few of the smaller chains and independent places going bust. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Sturgeon ripping Jackson Carlaw a new one on telly... great viewing.Love to see it, he really is a helmet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, H Wragg said: Genuine question about temperature checks... Does a high body temperature caused by a fever somehow show up any different from one which is simply due to 'normal' reasons (eg. Due to just having undertaken exercise/wearing more layers of clothing than needed)? Is the test measuring the temperature of a different part of the body which can distinguish between the 2? I went through temperature check at Brussels airport no problem while wearing more clothes for the weather than I should, carrying four bags and being a bit stressed. So therefore sweating like f**k. And no issues for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Diamonds are Forever said: It is absolute nonsense. A huge number of the vulnerable people who were at risk to this type of virus have sadly passed so we wouldn't get anything like the same numbers of deaths in the near future. Plus there is far more focus on protecting the vulnerable than there was 5 month ago anyway. Case numbers really aren't that important anymore - countries are testing more which gives the impression of an increase, and there are question marks over the accuracy anyway, it is ICU admissions and deaths that are crucial and all across Europe they have reduced back down to their normal level for this time of year. It is noteworthy that as deaths and ICU admissions have dropped the media seem to be focusing more on case numbers to continue to the fear. A quick glance at the death figures for Spain in recent weeks makes a complete mockery of all the scaremongering of their 'second wave'. On the day that we imposed a quarantine on Spanish arrivals Spain had 3 deaths. Although I'm sure the wave is '2 weeks away' though, as it has been for the last 2 months. I'm sure there will be small regional flare ups, probably more in winter, but that isn't going to result in anything approaching a second wave. The virus will not be eradicated, therefore there needs to be a grown up discussion about how best to manage and live with it and people need to know that every small flare up is not a sign of a second wave. Unfortunately the hysterical and irresponsible coverage of this has made this really difficult for people to understand. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but case numbers rising is only not an issue if cases are acting proportionately to that number. More than a handful of us states for example are seeing cases rise, and attempting to put it down to increased testing. But actually looking at the figures, the number of cases is rising more rapidly than testing figures, meaning that the virus is actually spreading and not just remaining steady 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Sorry but I don't know what data you are looking at. The entire Northern Hemisphere saw peak deaths in March/April, at that point Southern Hemisphere countries had hardly any deaths. From late April/May onwards Europe's deaths plummeted whilst every single South American country saw an almost uniform increase in deaths. As did Southern Africa. And more recently Australia, who managed to repress it for a while but have now been hit. New Zealand have managed to stop it so far by almost preventing it getting into their country, but they are the exception and aren't through their winter yet. There are obviously numerous other factors within countries which affect it which cause variations, but it clearly has a huge seasonal element to it. From what I read, Australia is mostly down to people refusing to voluntarily quarantine so having to be forced into a hotel to do so, and then the security that were meant to be guarding them pumping them etc and letting the virus escape. AFAIK it's only in Victoria that things are looking bad where immigrants are more prevent than elsewhere and they depend hugely on tourism (Melbourne specifically). I only half heard this on the news though so it could be more widespread than I think, but I don't think it's really anything to do with it being seasonal. Edited July 30, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John MacLean Posted July 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Describing a virus as "very dangerous" when it has sent no one to ICU in 21 days, and caused 1 death in the same time frame is ridiculous. Already laying the groundwork for digging the feet in again in 3 weeks time as well Tunnel vision towards getting to zero cases, something which is likely impossible so long as our borders remain open. See this is why your 'analysis' is so clearly slanted and flawed. Looking at the number of ICU cases and deaths and deducing from that that the virus is not as dangerous as it once was is an incredibly simplistic way of viewing things. It would be great if that was the case, that the potency of Covid-19 was simply evaporating and becoming less and less of a danger. Perhaps there is even an element of truth in that. Is a more nuanced, more balanced analysis of those figures though not that the virus isn't less dangerous but that we are being successful in protecting those most vulnerable to it, you know the people most likely to end up in ICU, the people more liking to die, from it? To use a pretty torturous analogy, we all know that standing in the middle of a busy road is pretty dangerous and the longer we do that the greater the chances are of us being hit by a bus are. If we suddenly stop standing in the middle of a busy road the fact that as a consequence we haven't been hit by a bus isn't evidence that standing in a middle of a road isn't as dangerous as it previously was. You stubbornly refuse to entertain any other narrative aside from the one that you have clung to and run with for so long. Try and see beyond the narrow confines of that approach. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Describing a virus as "very dangerous" when it has sent no one to ICU in 21 days, and caused 1 death in the same time frame is ridiculous. Already laying the groundwork for digging the feet in again in 3 weeks time as well Tunnel vision towards getting to zero cases, something which is likely impossible so long as our borders remain open. I get what you're saying but the virus is definitely "very dangerous" given what we have seen when it was going unchecked in March. I think once the schools are opened and there aren't parents bleating about how no one on earth has a more difficult life than them education has resumed then we will see other restrictions being lifted. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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