Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Sergeant Wilson]

8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I read an absolutely wild post on twitter from a fan of an arse cheek who wanted the fixtures behind closed doors until teams had played everyone home and away because "fair"

Any chance that one of them might get to play the other with more of their own fans there than the other, despite one having a stadium around 20% bigger than the other anyway, was unacceptable to him

I was regaled with same  uninvited argument in the pub last week.

[Marshmallo]

12 minutes ago, Angusfifer said:

The season was ended by the SPFL following the advice of the First Minister that public gatherings of over 500 should not take place. 

Nope. That's not correct.

The only stopped clock in the world that's not right twice a day said the Old Firm game should go ahead even once those restrictions re public gatherings were arranged to be put in place.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-scottish-health-chief-comfortable-old-firm-game-going-ahead-2449457

That full article is absolutely incredible btw. And to think people on here were beating off over Leitch a few months ago!

Edited August 21, 2020 by Marshmallo

[The Moonster]

8 minutes ago, Angusfifer said:

The season was ended by the SPFL following the advice of the First Minister that public gatherings of over 500 should not take place. 

But the week before that her advice was "it's cool, have your wee old firm match", the SPFL and it's clubs took the decision themselves. If the advice was no gatherings over 500 then clubs could technically have continued playing with limited capacity - they didn't, that shows it wasn't the SG calling the shots.

[Cosmic Joe]

2 minutes ago, Snafu said:

So they didn't specifically go to the SFA or the SPFL and tell them, you need to stop. Scottish football took the initiative first.

In response to the advice re public gatherings. 

[Cosmic Joe]

2 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Thank goodness the staunch guardians of everything SNP decide don't venture outside the politics forum, otherwise a 'heated debate' might break out and we will be here all day both sides shifting goalposts.

I'm only stating what was said on the email sent out to all clubs from the Joint Response Group on 13th March. 

 

[Cosmic Joe]

2 minutes ago, Snafu said:

You're saying they had a choice and the Celtic v Rangers game could have gone ahead if the SFA and the SPFL decided it should be so?

Of course in the end it didn't matter we all went lockdown and that wasn't advice, we were told to.

No I'm not saying that at all. The OF game was not even mentioned. 

 

[John MacLean]

I genuinely don't know the answer to this question but did the Scottish Government have the power to have ordered football to have stopped the weekend of the bigotfest? 

It wasn't until March 25th, a couple of days after the westminster Lockdown announcement, that the power to impose Lockdown restrictions was devolved to the Scottish Government. 

Or am I remembering this incorrectly? 

[Mark Connolly]

1 minute ago, John MacLean said:

I genuinely don't know the answer to this question but did the Scottish Government have the power to have ordered football to have stopped the weekend of the bigotfest? 

It wasn't until March 25th, a couple of days after the westminster Lockdown announcement, that the power to impose Lockdown restrictions was devolved to the Scottish Government. 

Or am I remembering this incorrectly? 

I think you'll find they are a disgrace for allowing it to go ahead, while simutaneously being a disgrace for cancelling it.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

keep politics off here at all costs, the schools chat was bad enough.

13 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Thank goodness the staunch guardians of everything SNP decide don't venture outside the politics forum, otherwise a 'heated debate' might break out and we will be here all day both sides shifting goalposts.

This is the biggest most consuming thing to happen in my lifetime weather we like it or not, the only person who likes it is virginton as he has all day to sit on here posting controversial shit to get a rise out of people. Everyone else just wants to keep in with the news in the hope of it being positive so this fucks off and we can live our lives again,

Initialy I agreed with a lot of what Todd is god said regards this being quite an over reaction and poorly handled , but he's becoming quite the mini trump and SNP BADDER,  and I don't think zero covid is realistic, we should have a controlled opening so that things get back to normal slowly without cases spiralling out of control

[Billy Jean King]

The same Scottish Government that wanted to go ahead with the full Ibrox in mid-March when the R rate was through the roof and the rest of Europe was shutting down?

Obviously the same one unless I missed an election. That was then, this is now. Given the caution now you don't see any chance of a push back from 14 September if it is made all about the OF game ?

[Billy Jean King]

I read an absolutely wild post on twitter from a fan of an arse cheek who wanted the fixtures behind closed doors until teams had played everyone home and away because "fair"
Any chance that one of them might get to play the other with more of their own fans there than the other, despite one having a stadium around 20% bigger than the other anyway, was unacceptable to him [emoji1787]

That's only wild to us, in their twisted minds that's exactly how it will be playing out !

[vikingTON]

46 minutes ago, Angusfifer said:

In response to the advice re public gatherings. 

The advice on public gatherings didn't come into effect until March 16th though (the following Monday) which is why the SG was quite happy for an OF to go ahead the preceding day. The reason why it did not was that Arteta contracted the virus in England, the weekend's matches were suspended south of the border and the SFA decided it was time to put events on hold here as well before the gathering advice came into effect. 

28 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

I genuinely don't know the answer to this question but did the Scottish Government have the power to have ordered football to have stopped the weekend of the bigotfest? 

It wasn't until March 25th, a couple of days after the westminster Lockdown announcement, that the power to impose Lockdown restrictions was devolved to the Scottish Government. 

Or am I remembering this incorrectly? 

Given that the SG dished out restrictions on public gatherings and closed down the hospitality sector more than a week before said powers were devolved, it is quite clear that it could have stopped football before the OF game as well. It did de facto stop professional football matches from taking place from March 16. 

The volume of whataboutery about devolved powers when it comes to explaining why the SG got its initial response wrong is quite pathetic tbh. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by vikingTON

[John MacLean]

28 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

keep politics off here at all costs, the schools chat was bad enough.

This is the biggest most consuming thing to happen in my lifetime weather we like it or not, the only person who likes it is virginton as he has all day to sit on here posting controversial shit to get a rise out of people. Everyone else just wants to keep in with the news in the hope of it being positive so this fucks off and we can live our lives again,

Initialy I agreed with a lot of what Todd is god said regards this being quite an over reaction and poorly handled , but he's becoming quite the mini trump and SNP BADDER,  and I don't think zero covid is realistic, we should have a controlled opening so that things get back to normal slowly without cases spiralling out of control

So essentially exactly what is happening. 

We started of with the largely stay at home message with just one period of outside exercise per day then moved onto to be allowed to sit outside in parks. 

Then we had the gradual re-opening of non-essential shops. Meeting with other households firstly outdoors and then subsequently indoors

Then outside eating and drinking was permitted and then pubs and restaurants reopened for indoor food and drink. 

We've now got the schools reopened. 

Much of the above with infection rates, ICU admissions falling and, thankfully, zero deaths, by the SG's measurement, for about a month now. 

It's been slow and frustrating at times but it has been progress. I think collectively we all deserve a wee pat on the back (except for the fuckwits who won't wear facemasks because NS has told them to) for our part in getting us to this point. 

It's only been over the last week or so that infection rates have shown a slight rise again but so too has the number of tests that have been carried out. The percentage of those tested that are tested positive rarely rises above 1%. The WHO cites 5% or less as an indication that the virus is being controlled. 

Local Lockdowns are an inevitable by-product of the easing of restrictions, of us becoming more socialised again but they aren't anything to panic about. They are just something that we will have to learn to live with for a time. 

We've now got dates for gyms re-opening an indication that fans will be able to watch football again from next month. Live music, theatre, comedy etc. can start to local forward with a degree more positivity. We are slowly but surely getting there and we've got to where we are by following the gradual route to easing out of Lockdown. 

Sorry, didn't mean this post to be as long. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by John MacLean

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, John MacLean said:

So essentially exactly what is happening. 

We started of with the largely stay at home message with just one period of outside exercise per day then moved onto to be allowed to sit outside in parks. 

Then we had the gradual re-opening of non-essential shops. Meeting with other households firstly outdoors and then subsequently indoors

Then outside eating and drinking was permitted and then pubs and restaurants reopened for indoor food and drink. 

We've now got the schools reopened. 

Much of the above with infection rates, ICU admissions falling and, thankfully, zero deaths, by the SG's measurement, for about a month now. 

It's been slow and frustrating at times but it has been progress. I think collectively we all deserve a wee pat on the back (except for the fuckwits who won't wear facemasks because NS has told them to) for our part in getting us to this point. 

It's only been over the last week or so that infection rates have shown a slight rise again but so too has the number of tests that have been carried out. The percentage of those tested that are tested positive rarely rises above 1%. The WHO cites 5% or less as an indication that the virus is being controlled. 

Local Lockdowns are an inevitable by-product of the easing of restrictions, of us becoming more socialised again but they aren't anything to panic about. They are just something that we will have to learn to live with for a time. 

We've now got dates for gyms re-opening an indication that fans will be able to watch football again from next month. Live music, theatre, comedy etc. can start to local forward with a degree more positivity. We slowly but surely getting there and we've got to where we are by following the gradual route to easing out of Lockdown. 

Sorry, didn't mean this post to be as long. 

Good luck with that without the JRS.

The madness of local lockdowns for a handful of "cases" will end when the JRS does.

[John MacLean]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

The volume of whataboutery about devolved powers when it comes to explaining why the SG got its initial response wrong is quite pathetic tbh. 

No whataboutery from me at all. Just a genuine desire for some clarity on the issue. And given that I'm a member of a different political party to the one that currently holds office in the SG then I have no need to explain/defend the SG's initial response. I don't think there are many governments that will look back at their initial responses with any pride. So many mistakes. 

[The Moonster]

I suspect even Nicola Sturgeon would admit she got things wrong at the start, and I fail to see how anyone can defend the advice that the OF could go ahead. I don't know why folk have trouble admitting that mistakes were made. You can still support and vote for a party that you don't totally agree with, there's no need for the tribalism. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

 

41 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

So essentially exactly what is happening. 

We started of with the largely stay at home message with just one period of outside exercise per day then moved onto to be allowed to sit outside in parks. 

Then we had the gradual re-opening of non-essential shops. Meeting with other households firstly outdoors and then subsequently indoors

Then outside eating and drinking was permitted and then pubs and restaurants reopened for indoor food and drink. 

We've now got the schools reopened. 

Much of the above with infection rates, ICU admissions falling and, thankfully, zero deaths, by the SG's measurement, for about a month now. 

It's been slow and frustrating at times but it has been progress. I think collectively we all deserve a wee pat on the back (except for the fuckwits who won't wear facemasks because NS has told them to) for our part in getting us to this point. 

It's only been over the last week or so that infection rates have shown a slight rise again but so too has the number of tests that have been carried out. The percentage of those tested that are tested positive rarely rises above 1%. The WHO cites 5% or less as an indication that the virus is being controlled. 

Local Lockdowns are an inevitable by-product of the easing of restrictions, of us becoming more socialised again but they aren't anything to panic about. They are just something that we will have to learn to live with for a time. 

We've now got dates for gyms re-opening an indication that fans will be able to watch football again from next month. Live music, theatre, comedy etc. can start to local forward with a degree more positivity. We are slowly but surely getting there and we've got to where we are by following the gradual route to easing out of Lockdown. 

Sorry, didn't mean this post to be as long. 

Also , keeping with the positive front, I absolutely don't think we should be worried about these numbers either here or in Europe , to compare them with springsis just apples n pears. Back then only those sick enough to be admitted to hospital we're being tested , no contact tracing and a mishandling of the elderly ( Both here and elsewhere) by any estimate the real numbers in spring were 5-10 times higher than those tested. treatment will improve as we go as will management of spread. we're going to be just fine.  Get tae yer work!

[Todd_is_God]

52 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Also , keeping with the positive front, I absolutely don't think we should be worried about these numbers either here or in Europe , to compare them with springsis just apples n pears. Back then only those sick enough to be admitted to hospital we're being tested , no contact tracing and a mishandling of the elderly ( Both here and elsewhere) by any estimate the real numbers in spring were 5-10 times higher than those tested. treatment will improve as we go as will management of spread. we're going to be just fine.  Get tae yer work!

Hospital numbers in England are days away from dipping below 500 (currently 520), which, despite the rise in "cases" is more than 50% lower than 1 month ago.

In Scotland, however, they are disproportionately high, with around 30% of the total number in the UK.

It's not down to admission numbers (they are very low), but patients do seem to be spending longer in hospital than elsewhere in the UK. I would be interested to know why this might be.

Is it precautionary? Is it people going in to hospital for a long stay with something unrelated to covid, being tested routinely for covid, testing positive and therefore being in hospital with "confirmed covid?" Is there another reason?

Regardless of the reason, I still don't understand why our journalists don't ask these types of questions. Are they not allowed to ask certain questions, or are they just not very good?

Edited August 21, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Hospital numbers in England are days away from dipping below 500 (currently 520), which, despite the rise in "cases" is more than 50% lower than 1 month ago.
In Scotland, however, they are disproportionately high, with around 30% of the total number in the UK.
It's not down to admission numbers (they are very low), but patients do seem to be spending longer in hospital than elsewhere in the UK. I would be interested to know why this might be.
Is it precautionary? Is it people going in to hospital for a long stay with something unrelated to covid, being tested routinely for covid, testing positive and therefore being in hospital with "confirmed covid?" Is there another reason?

Are we still the sick man of Europe when it comes to underlying health conditions?
At one point in may falkirk alone had higher hospital and icu figures than the whole of Scotland does now

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Are we still the sick man of Europe when it comes to underlying health conditions?
At one point in may falkirk alone had higher hospital and icu figures than the whole of Scotland does now

No idea tbh.

I'd like to think it's not down to the likes of a patient with a unrelated condition and showing no symotoms of covid being included in the stats, but with the way the figures have been communicated throughout, nothing would surprise me.