Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Aufc]

That's the ONS published statistics that show that since June, more people have died from pneumonia and the 'flu than Covid-19.
Yet we're all being hidden away in caves, with the government(s) seemingly happy to destroy the economy and the way we live our lives in the vain hope of 'suppressing' the virus. 

Was the government strategy not initially to go for herd immunity but there was a huge outcry about it so they changed the lockdown?

I suspect there will also be a large number of deaths to come due to non treatment of cancer etc.

Thats before you consider the damage to the economy and aspirations of future generations

[Detournement]

16 minutes ago, VladimirMooc said:

It’s interesting to see the folk - on here and elsewhere - that seek to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic seem to really go after Devi Sridhar with a vehemence I haven’t seen them go for others.

You may disagree with her views - although she’s clearly better-qualified to express them than some morons on a Scottish football forum - but it is curious to observe those morons get so red-faced about her in particular. What is it about a successful, non-white woman they find so triggering? Just a curious observation. 

On here she gets a hard time because she seemed to decide to start promoting Zero Covid in the summer when it's a terrible idea and seemed to have Sturgeon's ear.

[renton]

2 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

Was the government strategy not initially to go for herd immunity but there was a huge outcry about it so they changed the lockdown?

I suspect there will also be a large number of deaths to come due to non treatment of cancer etc.

Thats before you consider the damage to the economy and aspirations of future generations

 

Luckily the economy was already getting trashed by Brexit and the aspirations of future generations likely snuffed out by whatever follows Covid a decade down the line, another financial crash, climate change or a good 'ol limited nuclear exchange between the US and China.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

That's the ONS published statistics that show that since June, more people have died from pneumonia and the 'flu than Covid-19.

Yet we're all being hidden away in caves, with the government(s) seemingly happy to destroy the economy and the way we live our lives in the vain hope of 'suppressing' the virus. 

People just don't want to accept that the damage caused by the restrictions wasn't really necessary.

To see acceptance of the tightening of restrictions on the back of 0.0009% of the population (roughly 1 in 114,000 people) being acutely ill is quite incredible to watch tbh.

[The Moonster]

19 minutes ago, Aufc said:

i dont have a great deal of knowledge regarding the whole vaccines process

 

Yet you think "they" are going too fast. Incredible.

[MP_MFC]

Lanarkshire again -
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/parents-claim-up-60-pupils-22686100

Parents claim 'up to 60' pupils at Motherwell school forced to isolate after teacher catches virus

Parents of pupils at Taylor High School in Motherwell received a letter from the headteacher and NHS Lanarkshire confirming that a member of staff had tested positive for Covid-19.
 
From this and from previous examples its quite clear teachers are the ones having the house parties and spreading the virus.

Only wanting more holidays imo

[madwullie]

51 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

That's the ONS published statistics that show that since June, more people have died from pneumonia and the 'flu than Covid-19.

Yet we're all being hidden away in caves, with the government(s) seemingly happy to destroy the economy and the way we live our lives in the vain hope of 'suppressing' the virus. 

Haven't seen this myself, but does that include pneumonia caused by covid, or pneumonia where the patient doesn't / didn't have covid? 

And do the flu deaths have a diagnostic test attached to them, because that would be pretty unusual AFAIK. Flu deaths are generally calculated after the fact using excess deaths. 

Maybe I should look at the article. 

[dirty dingus]

37 minutes ago, renton said:

Luckily the economy was already getting trashed by Brexit and the aspirations of future generations likely snuffed out by whatever follows Covid a decade down the line, another financial crash, climate change or a good 'ol limited nuclear exchange between the US and China.

Yip we're all going to hell in a hand cart. I think Iran is more likely to be the destination of Team America which may happen in the next month with a wee false flag attack on some ship in the Strait of Hormuz. I think the Chinese are too busy economically invading SE Asia and Africa to go to war and they are mates with Russia so Trump will shite it.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

15 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Lanarkshire again -

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/parents-claim-up-60-pupils-22686100

Parents claim 'up to 60' pupils at Motherwell school forced to isolate after teacher catches virus

Parents of pupils at Taylor High School in Motherwell received a letter from the headteacher and NHS Lanarkshire confirming that a member of staff had tested positive for Covid-19.

 

From this and from previous examples its quite clear teachers are the ones having the house parties and spreading the virus.

The Greater Motherwell area genuinely baffles me.

Taylor High is in New Stevenson. It is two towns over from the mighty 'Well. The Eurocentral outbreak was also said to be in Motherwell but it is nowhere near it.

[renton]

6 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

Yip we're all going to hell in a hand cart. I think Iran is more likely to be the destination of Team America which may happen in the next month with a wee false flag attack on some ship in the Strait of Hormuz. I think the Chinese are too busy economically invading SE Asia and Africa to go to war and they are mates with Russia so Trump will shite it.

I quite fancy a 2nd Term Trump to incinerate the 3 Gorges Dam tbh.

[Aufc]

Yet you think "they" are going too fast. Incredible.

I cant really work out if you are trying to start an argument here?

I am a fairly intelligent individual. The virus only became know earlier this year and they are talking about having a vaccine out by early next year. To me that seems rushed. Happy to be corrected if that is wildly wrong?

[NotThePars]

5 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I cant really work out if you are trying to start an argument here?

I am a fairly intelligent individual. The virus only became know earlier this year and they are talking about having a vaccine out by early next year. To me that seems rushed. Happy to be corrected if that is wildly wrong?

 

I get it as well but I guess the first counter argument I can think of is that there is likely to be far more people working on a vaccine for this than anything else given what Covid has done to the world economy.

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, VladimirMooc said:

It’s interesting to see the folk - on here and elsewhere - that seek to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic seem to really go after Devi Sridhar with a vehemence I haven’t seen them go for others.

You may disagree with her views - although she’s clearly better-qualified to express them than some morons on a Scottish football forum - but it is curious to observe those morons get so red-faced about her in particular. What is it about a successful, non-white woman they find so triggering? Just a curious observation. 

Erm yes because of course Jason 'clownshoes' Leitch has certainly been shielded from opprobrium on here on account of his ethnicity and gender. Not to mention all the useless white old male idiots like Chris Whitty who were heading the UK Government's disastrous public health program, as well as the Minister of Health and the fucking PM who are useless white men as well. 

An utter dogshit, first year sociology student hot-take then. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by vikingTON

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

I get it as well but I guess the first counter argument I can think of is that there is likely to be far more people working on a vaccine for this than anything else given what Covid has done to the world economy.

I fear a cure for baldness and viable penis enlargement process is further away than ever because of this damned plague.

[Donathan]

Entire cabinet of the Republic of Ireland are self isolating

[D.A.F.C]

That's the ONS published statistics that show that since June, more people have died from pneumonia and the 'flu than Covid-19.
Yet we're all being hidden away in caves, with the government(s) seemingly happy to destroy the economy and the way we live our lives in the vain hope of 'suppressing' the virus. 

Why would they do this?
All governments did it.

[Wee Willie]

4 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I had an absolute c**t of a dry cough for weeks back in late 2018, way before all this, it was so bad I managed to A give up smoking & B avoid covid so far despite working with someone who later tested positive - pre track & trace

Have ye still stopped?

If ye have then well done.

I stopped cauld turkey 30th December, 2012 and I'm still smoke-free.

and that was after a 60+ years of up to 40 a day.

[renton]

16 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I cant really work out if you are trying to start an argument here?

I am a fairly intelligent individual. The virus only became know earlier this year and they are talking about having a vaccine out by early next year. To me that seems rushed. Happy to be corrected if that is wildly wrong?

 

The actual clinical work to test the vaccine are the same length as they always been, however its really (as I understand it) compressing the analysis phases, documentation, administration and general bureaucracy that's allowing for quicker scheduling.

If the development phase itself appears shorter then I think that's because unlike commercial groups, the teams haven't been spending protracted periods developing different approaches and analysing what is likely to be the best approach, clinically and commercially. Instead they have been partnering between commercial groups and research groups and driving forward with whatever approach was immediately to hand. The idea is the inherent parallelism of all those approaches should yield one or more that work.

[The Moonster]

25 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I cant really work out if you are trying to start an argument here?

I am a fairly intelligent individual. The virus only became know earlier this year and they are talking about having a vaccine out by early next year. To me that seems rushed. Happy to be corrected if that is wildly wrong?

 

I'm really not trying to start an argument, I just don't understand how you can conclude that "they" are rushing things when you don't know how it works.

One last time - who are "they"? I could find you a lab worker that says it could be 6 years before a vaccine is made. I could find you a politician saying one would be out before the end of 2020. Lots of different people have lots of different opinions on it. This is why I'm asking you to define who "they" are. 

As NotThePars has said too, we have a huge number of people working on this vaccine, it's likely the process will be faster than it normally is. And in any case, the government or scientists aren't able to just throw out an untested vaccine, we have regulations for this shit.

Edited September 15, 2020 by The Moonster

[NotThePars]

7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I'm really not trying to start an argument, I just don't understand how you can conclude that "they" are rushing things when you don't know how it works.

One last time - who are "they"? I could find you a lab worker that says it could be 6 years before a vaccine is made. I could find you a politician saying one would be out before the end of 2020. Lots of different people have lots of different opinions on it. This is why I'm asking you to define who "they" are. 

As NotThePars has said too, we have a huge number of people working on this vaccine, it's likely the process will be faster than it normally is. And in any case, the government or scientists aren't able to just throw out an untested vaccine, we have regulations for this shit.

In fairness I can understand where people's scepticism comes from if you're British or American given our respective governments have made complete clownshoes and have repeatedly proven to be so nakedly corrupt and self-serving and willing to sacrifice millions if it serves the economy. It doesn't take much to extrapolate from that they would conjure up a bogus vaccine to tempt people back into work. Look at the legions of courtesans conjuring up misty eyed memories of the rush hour commute on the command of Are Boris.

 

ETA: I don't believe they would FYI.

Edited September 15, 2020 by NotThePars