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7 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said:

You are aware that the Vauxhall Astra Zeneca vaccine was only available from Monday (later in the day in most cases) so to extrapolate from historical figures when we only had Pfizer vaccine available (and numerous public holidays) is not a true reflection of what is possible moving forward.  Try and be more positive....you may even like it?

Staggering that you think public holidays is a justification for slowing things down during a massive public health crisis. 

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3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:
7 minutes ago, Steven W said:
Actually dumbfouded that construction and manufacturing, and the thousands of people (a large percentage of who can't WFH) it employs, carries on.
Really quite bizarre to instead focus on people Click and Collecting from Argos and having takeaway pints. How many of the infections over the past few weeks are actually attibuted to this stuff. Can only be a handful at best

Dumbfounded that they are attempting to minimise indoors interactions in non essential circumstances ???

Dumfounded they're allowing vast swathes of workers to continue to work (often in fairly close proximity,) in factories and the like, but instead preferring to focus on folk picking up a pair of curtains from Argos

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4 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:
14 minutes ago, virginton said:
Pish. The supplies are there right now to vaccinate tens of thousands more and it isn't happening. The SG confirmed that it woul receive 900k doses by the end of January in trying to walk back from Freeman's 'one million by the end of January' claim. They'll get nowhere near that done.
Shifting the goalposts a full month back, only to no doubt get the same piss-poor excuses is unacceptable. Heads should be rolling at the end of this month.

They have confirmed we are getting nowhere near that numerous times. 450k of AZ plus what we had of Pfizer. All about supply.

They only this morning accepted that they had been untruthful about WM back ending that allocation.

Why do you unquestioningly believe absolutely everything they say?

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Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Staggering that you think public holidays is a justification for slowing things down during a massive public health crisis. 

I never said it was justified but that (to my knowledge) there were no vaccinations administered on Christmas day and new years day should be taken into account when looking at the rate of vaccinations to date.  I may be wrong - perhaps there were vaccinations done on those days.

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Yes. Which is why my point is that the required rate is increasing with every passing day and I'd like to know how they intend to ramp it up, and how quickly we can expect them to achieve the required rate.
Willy waving every day about a number nowhere near the required rate is not something I am intetested in.
Again what bit of TARGET don't you understand. The target was clearly defined again minutes ago. All over 65s and the clinically vulnerable by 1 March. What part of that can't you grasp.

How they get to that target is wholly unimportant as long as they do.

The target is clearly defined.
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It's reassuring to see the general consensus among the good guys on here is that once the relevant vulnerable groups are vaccinated, and it has then been made available to the wider public, we will be returning to normal. This rather than peddling sinister, unobtainable, and dystopian fantasies of 'Zero Covid' being peddled by public health 'experts' like Devi Sridhar, Linda Bauld, and the clowns on 'Independent SAGE', whom I cannot believe are in their positions yet think it is somehow possible to eliminate a now globally endemic respiratory virus - which we also now have highly efficacious vaccines for. They have damaged my faith in science and Sturgeon better not try to pander to them for a moment.

Roll on the resumption of living, and these nobodies returning to obscurity from whence they came.

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Dumfounded they're allowing vast swathes of workers to continue to work (often in fairly close proximity,) in factories and the like, but instead preferring to focus on folk picking up a pair of curtains from Argos
You think picking up curtains at Argos is more essential than food processing or manufacturing, is that for real ?
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Just now, Billy Jean King said:

Again what bit of TARGET don't you understand. The target was clearly defined again minutes ago. All over 65s and the clinically vulnerable by 1 March. What part of that can't you grasp.

How they get to that target is wholly unimportant as long as they do.

The target is clearly defined.

Ok mate.

I look forward to your excuses when we, predictably, fall well short.

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1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said:
5 minutes ago, Steven W said:
Dumfounded they're allowing vast swathes of workers to continue to work (often in fairly close proximity,) in factories and the like, but instead preferring to focus on folk picking up a pair of curtains from Argos

You think picking up curtains at Argos is more essential than food processing or manufacturing, is that for real ?

It is if you need curtains.

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It's reassuring to see the general consensus among the good guys on here is that once the relevant vulnerable groups are vaccinated, and has then been made available to the wider public, we will be returning to normal. This rather than peddling sinister, unobtainable, and dystopian fantasies of 'Zero Covid' being peddled by public health 'experts' like Devi Sridhar, Linda Bauld, and the clowns on 'Independent SAGE', whom I cannot believe are in their positions yet think it is somehow possible to eliminate a now globally endemic respiratory virus - which we now have highly efficacious vaccines for - and has damaged my faith in science. Sturgeon better not try to pander to them for a moment.
Roll on the resumption of living, and these nobody's returning to obscurity from whence they came.
Who on here have you seen peddling zero Covid bar some newbie that popped up for a few days last week and has since vanished again.

Zero Covid is a total and utter fantasy. Impossible.
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Chuckling to myself at the thought I'll be sitting at this desk in my living room in October 2021 having never been more than 5 miles from my flat while the usual suspects continue to post "but supply"

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21 minutes ago, virginton said:

Pish. The supplies are there right now to vaccinate tens of thousands more and it isn't happening. The SG confirmed that it woul receive 900k doses by the end of January in trying to walk back from Freeman's 'one million by the end of January' claim. They'll get nowhere near that done.

Shifting the goalposts a full month back, only to no doubt get the same piss-poor excuses is unacceptable. Heads should be rolling at the end of this month.

Step 1 - Don't read claim

Step 2 - Make up what you think the claim was

Step 3 - Accuse party of 'moving the goalposts' by reiterating their original claim

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4 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:
8 minutes ago, Steven W said:
Dumfounded they're allowing vast swathes of workers to continue to work (often in fairly close proximity,) in factories and the like, but instead preferring to focus on folk picking up a pair of curtains from Argos

You think picking up curtains at Argos is more essential than food processing or manufacturing, is that for real ?

It's curtains for us all. 

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3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Got to laugh at the “no demand” line. They’re quite happy to have the drive through test centres open 7 days a week, 8am-8pm, even open on Christmas and New Year’s Day. Yet they don’t seem willing to deviate from the 8-5 Mon to Fri health centre surgery hours. 

where do you get that from?  I have seen nothing to suggest vaccination centres are only open Mon-Fri 8-5?  There has been anecdotal evidence on this very thread that people are getting vaccinated out of those hours and indeed at weekends.

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Just now, Billy Jean King said:
2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:
It is if you need curtains.

No one stopping anyone clicking and collecting curtains. It's just a change to the collection procedures. Even you must admit that screaming for Manufacturing and construction to be stopped after a minor change to cluck and collect is wild !

I would suggest that there is more of an argument for stopping "non essential" manufacturing and construction than there is for preventing someone buying and drinking a pint outside. In Scotland. In January.

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Johnson was rightly criticised for his daft predictions of things being back to normal by *insert any date / time here* so if the SG make statements about vaccinating a certain number of people by a certain date and they fall short then they should also be rebuked for this failing.

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