Thereisalight.. Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 52 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6924670/lockdown-professor-devi-sridhar-scotland-travel/ Why does nobody pull up this clown and tell her vaccines weren’t around last summer when “mistakes” happened. What a moonhowler. Shes probably in favour of vaccine passports domestically as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Ive been surprised recently just how much travel has still been happening , I saw on the Manchester news recently that In January alone 15000 people travelled to one country in particular from manchester airport, so the January amount in total must of been far higher for just that one airport. It cant all be essential travel. Im living outside Scotland and would really hope I can get over soon for a visit so its a bit surprise to see just how much travel has still been going on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Nice to see America has binned talk of vaccine passports. If a country as batshit crazy as America can see that domestic vaccine passports are a crock of shit then surely enough people here can as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 You think we will ever hear soon about travel to and from abroad and what will be required. Im not talking holidays but plenty people nowadays living abroad or people in Scotland from other countries and at some point all wanting to travel to see family etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sfa-set-out-hampden-fan-2386462710,000 more than I expected to be allowed. This is a good sign. I also noticed today that the Irish government and the FAI just said they cannot guarantee fans at the Aviva stadium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: I'd be astounded if that happens. No way do the SNP support the Tories in a vote, especially during an election campaign. It would be electoral suicide. To give this context, not even Labour are supporting it. Or even abstaining for once. It's almost as if the SNP agree with the Tories on more issues than they would have you believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It doesn't make me an expert, however it gives me easy access to articles experts who are often able to articulate in relative layman's terms a particular point of view, or why they think another expert might be wrong in their approach. Today is a good example - couple of decent articles in the Telegraph about why the latest government modelling is wrong, based on out of date data etc. The articles are logical and make sense to me. Should I therefore not be allowed to question the initial modelling on the basis that I've no expertise in modelling data, or come to the conclusion that we're being led up the garden path? It might be that more information comes to light as to why the original modelling was accurate, and things like Twitter allow for the conversation to flow and for both sides to understand the debate and intricacies better. If we're discouraged from challenging things simply because others have a better understanding of it than we do, then we're all absolutely fucked I'm afraid. So, not only do you feel equipped to challenge the views of an expert based on an article in the Telegraph, you also believe that Twitter (of all places) allows a nuanced conversation / debate?Edited to add - nothing wrong with you asking questions btw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, oaksoft said: Ach I don't know. I have a more optimistic view that after a few months we'll be back to ripping the arse out of the environment and stuffing our houses with plastic tat again as though nothing had ever happened. That tends to be the reality when any bad event happens. If anything I think people will overcompensate for the last year and we'll see a surge in pub usage, car purchases, house sales and money spent on "experiences" etc. It'll be like post-war Britain. Can't wait to see what happens when the football opens up again. Wouldn't be surprised to find a surge in crowd sizes at most grounds - temporary or otherwise. I think people will realise how close they came to losing all of these things having taken them for granted for years. Will be interesting to see. The thing about the “Roaring Twenties” is that it only really applied to the rich. There was a huge grab of wealth by the richest people in society. For most people, this era didn’t really exist. They were just left with graves to mourn and PTSD to overcome. So lets hope we don’t see a repeat of those days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: Nice to see America has binned talk of vaccine passports. If a country as batshit crazy as America can see that domestic vaccine passports are a crock of shit then surely enough people here can as well. You must be mistaken, only yesterday Detournement had said that vaccine passports was not solely a UK issue but a worldwide one as the US were pushing forward with them. Edited April 7, 2021 by djchapsticks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Think it’s somewhat notable that Australia and the UK’s vaccine projections are now ramping down significantly, just as the EU’s projections are starting to ramp up. Clearly the Commission is effectively placing export controls on the vaccine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, G51 said: Think it’s somewhat notable that Australia and the UK’s vaccine projections are now ramping down significantly, just as the EU’s projections are starting to ramp up. Clearly the Commission is effectively placing export controls on the vaccine. IMO it was guaranteed to happen, and guaranteed to be done quietly in a back door deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, G51 said: Think it’s somewhat notable that Australia and the UK’s vaccine projections are now ramping down significantly, just as the EU’s projections are starting to ramp up. Clearly the Commission is effectively placing export controls on the vaccine. Using a vaccine several Member States have either suspended or limited the use of, no less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kneal Down Caster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Think it’s somewhat notable that Australia and the UK’s vaccine projections are now ramping down significantly, just as the EU’s projections are starting to ramp up. Clearly the Commission is effectively placing export controls on the vaccine. Relabelling all the Az with Pfizer stickers. IMO. !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: Nice to see America has binned talk of vaccine passports. If a country as batshit crazy as America can see that domestic vaccine passports are a crock of shit then surely enough people here can as well. I'm sure things will work out eventually... 6 hours ago, BigDoddyKane said: You think we will ever hear soon about travel to and from abroad and what will be required. Im not talking holidays but plenty people nowadays living abroad or people in Scotland from other countries and at some point all wanting to travel to see family etc Monday, 12 April will see an announcement on this. Unfortunately, that disgusting creature Devi Sridhar has the Scottish Government's ear and she is a lunatic who thinks travel restrictions actually make a difference when a virus is endemic worldwide. 24 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: You must be mistaken, only yesterday Detournement had said that vaccine passports was not solely a UK issue but a worldwide one as the US were pushing forward with them. How does The White House coming out and binning them fit in with the whole WEF 'Great Reset'?@Detournement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: So, not only do you feel equipped to challenge the views of an expert based on an article in the Telegraph, you also believe that Twitter (of all places) allows a nuanced conversation / debate? Edited to add - nothing wrong with you asking questions btw. Challenging and asking questions are the same thing, no? I don’t go into conversations like that aggressively or convinced that I’m right, and if someone who knows more about something than I do can set me right, then I’m happy to be educated - too often this doesn’t happen though. I don’t need to have years of experience to see that Devi blocked an actual expert who asked specific questions of what she was basing her argument on, and to come to the conclusion that this damages her credibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, oaksoft said: Ach I don't know. I have a more optimistic view that after a few months we'll be back to ripping the arse out of the environment and stuffing our houses with plastic tat again as though nothing had ever happened. That tends to be the reality when any bad event happens. If anything I think people will overcompensate for the last year and we'll see a surge in pub usage, car purchases, house sales and money spent on "experiences" etc. It'll be like post-war Britain. Can't wait to see what happens when the football opens up again. Wouldn't be surprised to find a surge in crowd sizes at most grounds - temporary or otherwise. I think people will realise how close they came to losing all of these things having taken them for granted for years. Will be interesting to see. The big question is which club is going to have the biggest crowd surge.... In all seriousness when it comes to football I think there will be an initial bounce as people want to get back to what they've missed out on but then will come a slump as many people, or perhaps more likely , their family members have gotten used to doing something else during football time and will no longer find it tolerable for example for a man to disappear for 5 hours on a Saturday leaving the wife & kids and coming home pished when they had gotten used to him helping round the house, taking the kids out somewhere etc etc or am I just being old fashioned? Edited April 7, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd expand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: Nice to see America has binned talk of vaccine passports. If a country as batshit crazy as America can see that domestic vaccine passports are a crock of shit then surely enough people here can as well. To be fair to Americans as a population the idea of being free and liberated is drummed into them from birth along with being told it’s something they should be proud of and they don’t tend to stand for their politicians trying to interfere too much with that . unlike here where we seem to be at the mercy of SAGE and their constant predictions of doom and no one is really giving much of a f**k Edited April 7, 2021 by Forever_blueco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elixir Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Yup, the fact that any third wave will highly likely be no worse than a typically bad influenza season is not justification for ongoing restrictions on our liberty post vaccine rollout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Challenging and asking questions are the same thing, no? I don’t go into conversations like that aggressively or convinced that I’m right, and if someone who knows more about something than I do can set me right, then I’m happy to be educated - too often this doesn’t happen though. I don’t need to have years of experience to see that Devi blocked an actual expert who asked specific questions of what she was basing her argument on, and to come to the conclusion that this damages her credibility. Challenging and asking questions are not the same thing. Asking questions is about eliciting information, and hopefully learning from it. Challenging someone on Twitter based on an article in the Telegraph you’ve read, which references some other research which you haven’t read, don’t understand the nuances and don’t know the caveats is not advancing the sum of human knowledge one bit. In this scenario, you are Devi (not an expert - neither is she in the area she was commenting on). Don’t be Devi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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