Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Abdul_Latif]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

There is a huge difference between private businesses choosing to ask for proof of vaccination and a government obliging them to do so under pain of legal action and potential closure. 

Not to mention the SGs own published findings on Friday admit they are aware extension of the scheme will have little benefit on vaccine uptake and spread, and will likely harm a significant number of businesses.

If this comes to pass on Tuesday, I sincerely hope the media (and opposition) have the courage to ask them some very testing questions.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Abdul_Latif

[Bairnardo]

Not to mention the SGs owned published findings on Friday admit they are aware extension of the scheme will have little benefit on vaccine uptake and spread, and will likely harm a significant number of businesses.
If this comes to pass on Tuesday, I sincerely hope the media (and opposition) have the courage to ask them some very testing questions.

I have long enjoyed laughing at the cult of Unionism in this country, but support remaining strong for the SNP if they so casually shovel folks livlihoods into the fire would leave me questioning which is worse between retention of said Union, or the neccessary years of SNP rule to successfully dissolve it.

The question of which cult of supporters are the worstcunts in that scenario would suddenly become hard to answer too.

Vaccine passports will never be anything other than a complete and utter disgrace.

[Elixir]

5 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Its difficult to think about, but would I vote for independence now unless there was a clear sign the SNP would fracture? But also i despise the Tories so its very conflicting. 
If we were independent the SNP absolutely would have restrictions until the end of time, just incase.

I still think on the balance id vote yes for indy, but id be completely against the absolute muppets in the snp’s ‘promise everyone everything and never deliver on it’ strategy room, having any kind of long term influence. A decent centrist indy opposition would beat those muppets. 

I never thought anything could put me off Scottish independence, but this whole saga has really challenged that view. More so from being soured by the SNP's rhetoric throughout. I will always believe in it in principle, but given the choice between living in a 'normal' UK and a dystopian, health theatre Scotland - it wouldn't be a difficult choice. Hopefully that has all changed and faded out of memory by the time we get another vote...

 

 

4 hours ago, doulikefish said:

Wales and The failed statelet have covid passes aswell 

Clearly they've made all the difference!

 

 

4 hours ago, Snafu said:

I'm still reeling from the revelation yesterday that Amnesty Int. (those vitue signalling Amnesty btw) are more concerned about Mayanmar, the Palestinians and disappearing Chinese tennis players than giving our really serious problems here in Scotland any attention.

First world problems are everyone's problems.

The actual state of this.

 

 

2 hours ago, Snafu said:

The country’s relaxation of measures such as masking — especially in England — is showing the limits of relying on vaccines alone.

 

 

2 hours ago, s_dog said:

UK has had 15k deaths since July, Germany, Spain, Italy & France all under 8k deaths. So to consider the UK has smashed it and Europe have fucked it is a bit bonkers even for you.

The UK hopefully will avoid a big spike in the coming months, but the fact is, we've got too many people in hospital and dying of Covid, and have done for months.

Are you truly this thick?

I wonder what's about to happen now and over the course of the winter across the continent! The Germans are certainly concerned they could see 100,000 deaths.

'Too many people in hospital with an endemic respiratory virus' - there is less than half the number of Covid patients in hospital than this time last year. Encountering viruses like this and some vulnerable people dying is unfortunately an unavoidable part of the human experience.

[Elixir]

When 'public health measures' are leading to the riots and protests we're starting to see across Europe, including folk being shot in Rotterdam, maybe that should raise some questions about what constitutes good public health?

[Salt n Vinegar]

Very nice of Hibs to look after the health of the Rangers faithful by making sure there'll be no gathering of them in Glasgow on 19 December.  

Thanks a lot. 

[Elixir]

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

7 minutes ago, Elixir said:

 

Ladies and gentleman, Scotrail Lovejoys. 

[superbigal]

Bayern Munich has decided to reduce the salaries of unvaccinated footballers quarantined after coming into contact with persons infected with the novel Coronavirus (Covid-19), the German weekly, Bild am Sonntag, reported on Sunday.

Players affected include Joshua Kimmich, who was placed in quarantine on Friday for the second time, due to a new exposure to the virus, Belga News Agency reports.

 

The 26-year-old German international emerged from isolation on Tuesday after being placed on quarantine for being in contact with teammate Niklas Süle, who tested positive last week.

Bayern Munich management reportedly informed Kimmich and four of his teammates that their salaries would be cut if they had to be quarantined. According to the weekly, Serge Gnabry, Jamal Musiala, Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting, and Michael Cuisance have reportedly not taken any vaccine against the novel Coronavirus.

Bayern, which lost to Augsburg by 2-1 – without Kimmich – on Friday in the opening match of the 12th day of the German league, has refused to comment on the issue.

The case of the German international, who chose not to be vaccinated for “personal reasons,” has sparked a sharp debate in Germany as it faces a new wave of the Covid-19 epidemic.

[s_dog]

3 hours ago, virginton said:

Too many relative to what benchmark exactly, for a respiratory virus in winter? 'Zero' is not a valid answer. 

Too many because we've limited amount of beds, intensive care beds and staff and they are all being stretched and have been for months, before we even get to the winter period. There are other reasons than Covid, but its a big part of it. 

 

1 hour ago, Elixir said:

Are you truly this thick?

I wonder what's about to happen now and over the course of the winter across the continent! The Germans are certainly concerned they could see 100,000 deaths.

Not as thick as someone who thinks we are in a far better place than the rest of Europe despite having double the deaths before we even reach winter. We're heading into winter too, and its not like cases are tumbling to low levels, so what if we end up with cases climbing as we head towards winter? It might not be as bad as the spike Germany might have, but it hardly means they are fucked and we are in a far better position.
 

[Elixir]

4 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Not as thick as someone who thinks we are in a far better place than the rest of Europe despite having double the deaths before we even reach winter. We're heading into winter too, and its not like cases are tumbling to low levels, so what if we end up with cases climbing as we head towards winter? It might not be as bad as the spike Germany might have, but it hardly means they are fucked and we are in a far better position.

No, we are in a far better position because of much higher levels of immunity in our population, you simpleton. This, of course, built up over the past four months while Europe continued with pointless NPI's. Just because 'it's winter' does not automatically mean there is going to be an increase in disease burden. Winter does typically see an increase in respiratory infections, but because of the dynamic of when we had our exit wave, we already have considerable immunity from natural infection bedded in - combined with high levels of vaccination (with our superior dosing schedule) and the ongoing booster rollout. Continental Europe does not have such high levels of immunity and are experiencing their exit wave now. Chris Whitty and others discussed this very scenario months ago.

Unlucky.

[Rugster]

Oh, great. Snafu is back with his cut and paste borefests. 

[D.V.T.]

That wouldn’t be Christina Pagel going into shops with Covid symptoms would it?

[Left Back]

10 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Scottish businesses eligible for ventilation fund

https://www.hsmsearch.com/Scottish-ventilation-fund-businesses

21 November 2021

A £25 million fund to improve ventilation in business premises and reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission will open for applications next week.

Small and medium-sized businesses such as restaurants, bars and gyms will be able to claim back costs of up to £2,500 to undertake work such as the installation of carbon dioxide monitors and remedial improvement work to windows and vents.

Businesses will be able to fill in a self-assessment form to receive advice on improving their current ventilation systems and identify if they are eligible for financial support from their local authority.

Effective ventilation is a key public health measure to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spreading and is of increasing importance during autumn and winter as people spend more time indoors.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said, “In September we announced the establishment of a £25 million fund to help businesses improve ventilation. This fund opens for applications next week. More information on eligibility has now been published on the Find Business Support website.

“All of these basic mitigation measures are really important at this stage but some of them are also valuable long-term investments. For example, better ventilation won’t just reduce the spread of Covid – it will also help reduce the spread of other airborne viruses, now and in the future.”

Background

Further details of the grants, including eligible sectors, is available on the Find Business Support website.  

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced the £25m Ventilation Fund in September, 2021.

An expert advice group chaired by Professor Tim Sharpe from the University of Strathclyde recommended that businesses should be supported to improve ventilation.

Was this available last year, if not why not?

 

Am I missing something here?  What use is a CO2 monitor in preventing transmission of Covid?

[Elixir]

 

 

[vikingTON]

16 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Too many because we've limited amount of beds, intensive care beds and staff and they are all being stretched and have been for months, before we even get to the winter period. There are other reasons than Covid, but its a big part of it. 

You didn't actually answer the question. What is the benchmark for a 'reasonable' number of deaths and intensive care hospitalisations for a respiratory virus, during the peak months for all respiratory viruses? 'Zero' is not a valid answer. 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

1 minute ago, Left Back said:

Am I missing something here?  What use is a CO2 monitor in preventing transmission of Covid?

A build up of CO2 indicates a lack of ventilation.

 

[Left Back]

3 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

A build up of CO2 indicates a lack of ventilation.

 

It’s all well and good knowing about it.  It’s doing nothing to prevent any transmission.  Installing a couple of vents in a nightclub or pub isn’t doing anything either.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

Just now, Left Back said:

It’s all well and good knowing about it.  It’s doing nothing to prevent any transmission.  Installing a couple of vents in a nightclub or pub isn’t doing anything either.

For a small area a 'vent' (passive ventilation) or open window may suffice dependant on the volume of occupation.

For scenarios you have chosen, mechanical ventilation is a solution.

[craigkillie]

10 minutes ago, Left Back said:

It’s all well and good knowing about it.  It’s doing nothing to prevent any transmission.  Installing a couple of vents in a nightclub or pub isn’t doing anything either.

The advantages of good ventilation aren't limited to covid prevention.

[s_dog]

35 minutes ago, virginton said:

You didn't actually answer the question. What is the benchmark for a 'reasonable' number of deaths and intensive care hospitalisations for a respiratory virus, during the peak months for all respiratory viruses? 'Zero' is not a valid answer. 

Because there doesn't need to be some made up benchmark figure just to satisfy you. 

If you can't accept that hospitals in the UK are under pressure right now and have been for months with the military being asked to help out, surgeries being cancelled, sky high admission waits, hospitals asking people to only attend if its life threatening etc, and instead ask for a figure to pulled from thin air, and for peak months for respiratory viruses when all of the stuff has been happening and we're not even in that period yet. You think that's a reasonable question. You're off your head.