Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Dawson Park Boy]

I see that even Wales has now cut the self isolation period by 3 days.

What are we waiting for?

[Have some faith in Magic]

3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I see that even Wales has now cut the self isolation period by 3 days.

What are we waiting for?

Next week's lecture.

[Ron Aldo]

At least it's been worth it...

[Elixir]

8 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

 

At least it's been worth it...

 

STV News trolling us into oblivion. 

[Monkey Tennis]

3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Thanks for that, i thought they had outlawed it. Well i mean they probably would if they could. 
But behind the flippancy in your comment my post was more to do with the value of football clubs to communities being overlooked by the snp fans and importance of clubs in breaking down stigmas in mental health. 

Yes, all of which I acknowledge and accept.

I think football has immense power to be a social good.

 

 

I'll admit, however, to finding the line offered by that Tory MSP yesterday, a bit overblown.

Of course, football can do people good, but curtailing it for a couple of weeks is unlikely to do huge damage of the type outlined.

Yes, if this extends months into 2022 with such scant evidence behind it, such considerations deserve a profile.  Right now though, noises of this type do actually invite a little ridicule.  Inevitability, some of that ridicule is laced with ignorant prejudice.

[Abdul_Latif]

6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, if this extends months into 2022 with such scant evidence behind it, such considerations deserve a profile. 

That’s exactly the problem. We are not given the metrics for rolling back these restrictions.

Whether it’s effecting crowds or nightclubs we should be told exactly why they are not permitted to operate as normal and what is required for them to be permitted to again.

At the moment we just don’t know if they will be open again on the 17th January and so far the SG are not helping some peoples fear / anxiety at all by being so clandestine.

[anotherchance]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, all of which I acknowledge and accept.

I think football has immense power to be a social good.

 

 

I'll admit, however, to finding the line offered by that Tory MSP yesterday, a bit overblown.

Of course, football can do people good, but curtailing it for a couple of weeks is unlikely to do huge damage of the type outlined.

Yes, if this extends months into 2022 with such scant evidence behind it, such considerations deserve a profile.  Right now though, noises of this type do actually invite a little ridicule.  Inevitability, some of that ridicule is laced with ignorant prejudice.

The time of year has a lot to do with it too though - people coming home for Christmas/NY, getting to go to the pub/game with their old boy for maybe the only time this season etc.

The issue for me is the normalisation of scoffing at people who do see these things as being important for them. Even if it was just a case of young lads being pissed off at missing a day on the piss, they’re just as entitled to question things as anybody else.

Sandra and Margaret “it’s only kicking a bloody ball about” Facebook Ma types are the ones who should be getting called out for their ignorance, instead of being pandered to.

[MacDonald Jardine]

19 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, all of which I acknowledge and accept.

I think football has immense power to be a social good.

 

 

I'll admit, however, to finding the line offered by that Tory MSP yesterday, a bit overblown.

Of course, football can do people good, but curtailing it for a couple of weeks is unlikely to do huge damage of the type outlined.

Yes, if this extends months into 2022 with such scant evidence behind it, such considerations deserve a profile.  Right now though, noises of this type do actually invite a little ridicule.  Inevitability, some of that ridicule is laced with ignorant prejudice.

The thing is on previous evidence there is no chance of the restrictions ending in a couple of weeks. 

[Monkey Tennis]

17 minutes ago, anotherchance said:

The time of year has a lot to do with it too though - people coming home for Christmas/NY, getting to go to the pub/game with their old boy for maybe the only time this season etc.

The issue for me is the normalisation of scoffing at people who do see these things as being important for them. Even if it was just a case of young lads being pissed off at missing a day on the piss, they’re just as entitled to question things as anybody else.

Sandra and Margaret “it’s only kicking a bloody ball about” Facebook Ma types are the ones who should be getting called out for their ignorance, instead of being pandered to.

Yes, you're right - it's a shame.  I don't really see Sandra and Margaret as worthy of too much of our energy though.

In terms of "scoffing at people who do see these things as being important for them", I can't resist drawing a parallel with churches.  Clearly, there's no obvious comparison regarding how they and football grounds have been addressed during this, as football has clearly been more harshly treated.

I do think, however, that a similar case could be constructed regarding the social good church attendance does people.  

Now, there's no mystery behind the fact that football gets more attention on a football forum, populated by few church goers.  However, the pretence that we're not all coming at this from essentially biased standpoints, needs abandoned by some of those most keen to point a finger.

Edited December 30, 2021 by Monkey Tennis

[Monkey Tennis]

2 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

The thing is on previous evidence there is no chance of the restrictions ending in a couple of weeks. 

Obviously, I might well be wrong, but I think they will end this time in the face of overwhelming evidence that they should.

[MacDonald Jardine]

8 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, you're right - it's a shame.  I don't really see Sandra and Margaret as worthy of too much of our energy though.

In terms of "scoffing at people who do see these things as being important for them", I can't resist drawing a parallel with churches.  Clearly, there's no obvious comparison regarding how they and football grounds have been addressed during this, as football has clearly been more harshly treated.

I do think, however, that a similar case could be constructed regarding the social good church attendance does people.  

Now, there's no mystery behind the fact that football gets more attention on a football forum, populated by few church goers.  However, the pretence that we're not all coming at this from essentially biased standpoints, needs abandoned by some of those most keen to point a finger.

What's been interesting is the remarkable ability of people to be in favour of restrictions unless it affects what they like doing. 

Cutting social contact,  whatever form that takes, is going to affect people badly.

[pozbaird]

17 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said:

The thing is on previous evidence there is no chance of the restrictions ending in a couple of weeks. 

They’ll need to. Surely to goodness*. It’ll be nearly two years of this soon. Winter was always going to be a challenge, but even the uber-cautious Sturgeon has to change tack soon, as we move into another new year and there’s not a tsunami of excess death and serious illness caused by Covid. If the SNP in Holyrood don’t, and Boris & his troupe of chinless Tory arseholes are relaxing things down South, then surely, the shit will start to stick to the SNP fan.

 

*Unless there’s an Old Firm match on the horizon. Then, clearly, everything in Scotland should be locked down immediately, as there’s polis off on the sick and we’re all doomed.

(Truth hurts, eh Nicola & Co?)

Edited December 30, 2021 by pozbaird

[Mark Connolly]

The currently future Mrs Connolly's great aunt (97) has started asking everyone to take a GTF test before visiting her at home.

We are, at present, unsure if it is a Freudian slip

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The currently future Mrs Connolly's great aunt (97) has started asking everyone to take a GTF test before visiting her at home.
We are, at present, unsure if it is a Freudian slip

[Dons_1988]

14 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Obviously, I might well be wrong, but I think they will end this time in the face of overwhelming evidence that they should.

Except it’ll be the SG that define what ‘overwhelming evidence’ is. 

[Left Back]

18 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, you're right - it's a shame.  I don't really see Sandra and Margaret as worthy of too much of our energy though.

In terms of "scoffing at people who do see these things as being important for them", I can't resist drawing a parallel with churches.  Clearly, there's no obvious comparison regarding how they and football grounds have been addressed during this, as football has clearly been more harshly treated.

I do think, however, that a similar case could be constructed regarding the social good church attendance does people.  

Now, there's no mystery behind the fact that football gets more attention on a football forum, populated by few church goers.  However, the pretence that we're not all coming at this from essentially biased standpoints, needs abandoned by some of those most keen to point a finger.

Is anyone saying football should be open and places of worship should be closed?  You're simply being an arse again.  Anyone with this position you could say is being biased.  Anyone saying both or none should be open isn't being biased in the slightest.

I don't believe anyone is saying they aren't of benefit to people.  They're saying that places of worship are likely more dangerous than football what with them being indoors and all.  It's a simple point but you seem quite unable to grasp it and instead keep trying to give it the holier than thou message and claim it's reasonable to prevent people attending sporting events.

[Rugster]

Monkey Tennis is clearly a God botherer. 

[Monkey Tennis]

4 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Is anyone saying football should be open and places of worship should be closed?  You're simply being an arse again.  Anyone with this position you could say is being biased.  Anyone saying both or none should be open isn't being biased in the slightest.

I don't believe anyone is saying they aren't of benefit to people.  They're saying that places of worship are likely more dangerous than football what with them being indoors and all.  It's a simple point but you seem quite unable to grasp it and instead keep trying to give it the holier than thou message and claim it's reasonable to prevent people attending sporting events.

I'm not claiming that at all.  In fact, in several posts I've said the current  football restrictions are daft.

What I am doing, is saying that this willingness to disregard and dismiss things we don't value ourselves, is not confined to those who don't represent main players on here.

[Monkey Tennis]

2 minutes ago, Rugster said:

Monkey Tennis is clearly a God botherer. 

Would it matter if I was?

 

As is, I'm afraid you're quite wrong.  This wishy washy atheist hasn't been near a church in over 3 decades, but for the occasional funeral or wedding.  

 

[Todd_is_God]

32 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Obviously, I might well be wrong, but I think they will end this time in the face of overwhelming evidence that they should.

They should end.

But... to do so requires a complete mentality shift from the SG.

They'd need to:

- Drop the "keep people safe" schtick.

- Accept that Omicron is milder

- Accept people are going to catch it

      • And some people may get die

- Stop treating "cases" as a key metric

- Allow people who aren't sick to go about life as they did pre-March 2020

- Essentially admit that they caused unnecessary damage to business over the Christmas / New Year period.

That's a lot to happen in under two weeks.