Thorongil Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Get yourself something like this. When a concession can only be sought via manipulation rather than given willingly, is says something about the concession sought. If one asks another for something unusual but that person does not have the choice of refusal without consequence or smear, the the person doing the asking is a c**t and they can GTF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Some nice people on here. Are folk really so aligned to their anti restrictions stance that they're not prepared to display just a little consideration? Some of this is just weird. You’re not really the judge of “nice”. Not doing what you want doesn’t mean someone isn’t nice. What are your moral credentials? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ddfg said: What is weird is the amount of totally unfounded fear that there would appear to be in circulation about a virus which in its current form is almost harmless. Believe me. That's not nearly as weird as the prevailing narrative on here this afternoon. Some people really need to step back. It's genuinely astonishing that people would greet the sight of this badge (which remember, might be worn by those with a genuine vulnerability) with hostility, and a complete unwillingness to modify behaviour. Honestly, in its own terms, that's amazing. Edited January 23, 2022 by Monkey Tennis -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Thorongil said: You’re not really the judge of “nice”. Not doing what you want doesn’t mean someone isn’t nice. What are your moral credentials? If I see someone rendered vulnerable either by their health or an irrational level of fear, I tend not to despise them and wish further ill upon them. Not a high bar, I know, but in this company it probably makes me a candidate for sainthood. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Giving people a bit of space aint a big deal, the elderly its easy to do and for anyone else if the badge helps fine. I dont see an issue though in reality I dont think anyone is going to notice a small badge that often. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: In respect of these badges, context is important. If they are against the backdrop of dropping all legal requirements for masks, distancing etc but people have the option to display that they’re a bit uncomfortable then fine, I find it odd but no harm done and I’d respect it as long as it’s not abused. If it’s in addition to all the “protections” then it’s yet more nonsense that adds months and years to the recovery people are going to require from the scaremongering and it can f**k off. It's clearly part of the transition from a world of restrictions, isn't it? Its reception on here is monumentally absurd, and pretty nasty too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 My guess is these badges will almost exclusively be worn by those who, for whatever reason, feel concerned / scared / worried / nervous… whatever. I cannot see anyone wearing them at St Mirren Park and asking anyone sitting in the seat next to them to move. I cannot imagine anyone walking onto an aircraft wearing one and expecting to be given a row to themselves. Maybe if an old dear is in the queue at a shop and someone stands too close to them or something… all seems a bit, well, somewhat useless. So much of this shit is though. I generally don’t crowd others in queues or whatever anyway, so I’m not expecting to be chastised by a badge-wearing worrier… who, as these badges are discretionary, are perfectly free to wear one if they want. I’m just waiting for the moment where I’m in a queue, and sense the person behind is a bit too close for comfort, and it’s an auld granny wearing one of these badges. That’ll be interesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: If I see someone rendered vulnerable either by their health or an irrational level of fear, I tend not to despise them and wish further ill upon them. Not a high bar, I know, but in this company it probably makes me a candidate for sainthood. “Do what I say or you’re not nice” isn’t even veiled manipulation, it’s overt. We aren’t the best judges of ourselves. When you have to completely fabricate the motivations or feelings of others to justify your position; it’s time for pause. Edited January 23, 2022 by Thorongil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I think at this point we have to step back and look carefully at her words. "so long as face coverings make a difference to covid transmission". That is a potential get-out clause for her right there because there's plenty of research which says they make no discernible difference. This may not be the big pro-mask statement that it initially appears to be. I wonder if, between this and the badge announcement, the weaselling has begun. ‘We’ll make them discretionary too, but England have only just done it, so we need to be seen to be different for just a wee bit longer’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: If I see someone rendered vulnerable either by their health or an irrational level of fear, I tend not to despise them and wish further ill upon them. Extrapolating and fabricating an argument no-one is making as usual I see. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I think at this point we have to step back and look carefully at her words. "so long as face coverings make a difference to covid transmission". That is a potential get-out clause for her right there because there's plenty of research which says they make no discernible difference. This may not be the big pro-mask statement that it initially appears to be. I wonder if, between this and the badge announcement, the weaselling has begun. Could go either way tbh. The wording allows also for keeping them in place despite the difference in transmission being tiny. I don't believe they will be mandated here much beyond spring tbh, so I don't really understand what NS is trying to gain by generating soundbites like this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Believe me. That's not nearly as weird as the prevailing narrative on here this afternoon. Some people really need to step back. It's genuinely astonishing that people would greet the sight of this badge (which remember, might be worn by those with a genuine vulnerability) with hostility, and a complete unwillingness to modify behaviour. Honestly, in its own terms, that's amazing. 4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: If I see someone rendered vulnerable either by their health or an irrational level of fear, I tend not to despise them and wish further ill upon them. Not a high bar, I know, but in this company it probably makes me a candidate for sainthood. So you are saying someone's totally irrational fear of a relatively non harmful virus is worth placing unwarranted expectations on everyone else? This attitude is actually doing a huge disservice to those with genuine medical conditions. Maybe they should get Jason Leitch off the adverts every day and replace him with some positive messages of people doing activities under normal circumstances and try to encourage people that things aren't as dangerous as they think they are. Everyday things like packing your case for your holidays, picking your pal up to go to the football, going out with friends for a meal or meeting work colleagues for a drink. Surley that is a far more helpful message than constantly thanking everyone for being careful and telling them to keep testing just in case. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Could go either way tbh. The wording allows also for keeping them in place despite the difference in transmission being tiny. I don't believe they will be mandated here much beyond spring tbh, so I don't really understand what NS is trying to gain by generating soundbites like this. Becasue at this moment, there is at least some sentiment that the rolling back of restrictions in England is about Boris Johnson deflecting, and so the ReCkLeSs ToRiEs cow can be milked just a little more, even as Sturgeon herself rolls back to a position decscribed by Bob Mahelp, who appears to have slithered away of late, as "Full Bolsonaro" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Could go either way tbh. The wording allows also for keeping them in place despite the difference in transmission being tiny. I don't believe they will be mandated here much beyond spring tbh, so I don't really understand what NS is trying to gain by generating soundbites like this. I still think my favourite one is ‘we will be governed by data, not dates’ * * Unless the dates are the election, the Euros at Hampden, Cop26, and the Six Nations Rugby…. Shower of cnuts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Snafu said: If you find that a post offends you, feel free to use the report option in the top right hand corner of their post. Why are you being so silly? I can disapprove of something without being offended by it or see it as breaking rules. It's a trick you can probably perform too. What's next - If you don't like it;don't read it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Lester Freamon said: Some nice 'freeman of the land' and 'quotes the Magna Carta' vibes in here today. Saw a flyer for these belters yesterday https://britishlionsforfreedom.com/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ddfg said: So you are saying someone's totally irrational fear of a relatively non harmful virus is worth placing unwarranted expectations on everyone else? This attitude is actually doing a huge disservice to those with genuine medical conditions. Maybe they should get Jason Leitch off the adverts every day and replace him with some positive messages of people doing activities under normal circumstances and try to encourage people that things aren't as dangerous as they think they are. Everyday things like packing your case for your holidays, picking your pal up to go to the football, going out with friends for a meal or meeting work colleagues for a drink. Surley that is a far more helpful message than constantly thanking everyone for being careful and telling them to keep testing just in case. Can't we have it alongside some more positive messaging? Does affording someone a wee bit space, really meet your definition of "unwarranted expectations"? Extraordinary. Edited January 23, 2022 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I think at this point we have to step back and look carefully at her words. "so long as face coverings make a difference to covid transmission". That is a potential get-out clause for her right there because there's plenty of research which says they make no discernible difference. This may not be the big pro-mask statement that it initially appears to be. I wonder if, between this and the badge announcement, the weaselling has begun. I read it completely differently. Eg - as long as there remains any ambiguity as to their effectiveness, we will keep them mandated, as it may just make a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's clearly part of the transition from a world of restrictions, isn't it? Its reception on here is monumentally absurd, and pretty nasty too. I don’t know if you’re including me in the nasty bit but nonetheless I agree, some of it is over the top. I do totally get the frustration with continuing down a rabbit hole of layering on encouragement for people to be fearful of mixing with the outside world, hence the context I gave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Saw a flyer for these belters yesterday https://britishlionsforfreedom.com/ New profile pic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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