itzdrk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I see they are looking for volunteers for a trial of a modded "Omicron variant" vaccine. My question is "why?" - the current vaccines handle Shanicron to the point it doesn't cause serious illness rather well, and we have 100s of millions of doses already ordered. Any excuse to milk more money from Governments. Seems like a massive waste of time, went looking for it and ended up here instead https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00003-y?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nature&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1644879093 I have no idea of the credibility of "nature.com" but it seems reasonable on the face of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Nature is one of the most highly credible general scientific journals in the world. That doesn't stop them publishing absolute shite from time to time but that's a journal most scientists want to get published in. And if a scientist DOES get published in there, my God you won't hear the end of it from them. You'd think they had won a Nobel Prize. Have to say, I never saw the attraction. One good peer-reviewed journal is as good as another IMO. Never saw the point in wasting over a year trying to get into Nature when you can get published in 6 weeks in any number of other credible places. If they keep restrictions to keep us safe then good luck expecting people to listen to any of it when the whole of UK and most of Europe are starting to remove them. Edited February 16, 2022 by Lyle Lanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 We're both triple vaccinated and I still managed to test positive about 3 weeks ago. We were due to go to New York the following week and had started doing LFT's as we had to get a negative preflight test. Before the end of the week our three surviving parents, all with health issues and age against them had it. The most common symptom was heavy legs and a cough but I've been to work feeling a lot worse and thankfully everyone is back to normal. On the basis of this extensive study I would suggest Omicron is highly infectious and not too serious. If only some experts from South Africa had predicted this outcome a few months ago we'd have been saved from another winter of discontent. My only other comment would relate to how quickly I got settled into being quarantined in the house and whilst I'm back out and about I can see why some people could easily get into a position of feeling "safe" at home and being quite happy for restrictions to continue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 56 minutes ago, Michael W said: The benefit of vaccinating 5-11 year olds seem tiny. It's apparent the vaccines are not stopping transmission now. They are however very good at keeping people out of hospital and saving lives; they therefore are not going to do much in an age group that generally does not suffer from severe infections. For the clinically vulnerable in this age group it absolutely makes sense to vaccinate them, but for the others it seems a very marginal gain. I'm only glad my daughter is not 5 until 2023 so I don't have to make a call on this. I am really not comfortable with giving her the vaccine (I myself am triple jagged) and she is far too young to understand this all. Aye our daughters 6 and she flat out refused the flu shot before Xmas at school, she had it year before without an issue but won’t be getting her the covid vaccine. Imo it’s done it’s job protecting the vulnerable and it should be kept that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I’m triple vaxxed and so is my wife. The vaccines are great, fully supportive of them. I’m not getting my near 9 and near 5 year old vaccinated though. It’s just not necessary. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Vaccinating children is purely profiteering at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Delighted with today's news only because we can now get our 11 year old fully vaxxed before travelling abroad in the summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Delighted with today's news only because we can now get our 11 year old fully vaxxed before travelling abroad in the summer. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, Thorongil said: I’m triple vaxxed and so is my wife. The vaccines are great, fully supportive of them. I’m not getting my near 9 and near 5 year old vaccinated though. It’s just not necessary. I'm similarly minded. My pair are a near 3yo & a 5yo. We're both triple vaccinated as well. With the JCVI telling us for the last 14 months that kids don't need to be vaccinated and the benefits are marginal at best. I'd rather we gave our excess doses to countries who haven't vaccinated their vulnerable tbh. I will read what they send out about vacinnes. I hope it's more than an A5 flier with 'get you kids vacinnated' in capitals in a bold font. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 51 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Delighted with today's news only because we can now get our 11 year old fully vaxxed before travelling abroad in the summer. Why? She turns 12 just before the holidays and would therefore be treated as an unvaccinated adult in many European countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 51 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Delighted with today's news only because we can now get our 11 year old fully vaxxed before travelling abroad in the summer. Why? Depending on where he wants to go, unvaccinated kids might be problematic. If the child will be 12 before travelling, some countries will demand quarantine on arrival. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) I had my 5 year old vaccinated 2 weeks ago. She was fine. I have my reasons getting for her getting it but mostly due to my illness. Her class is currently off with covid and she is one of the only ones not to have it (so far). Edited February 16, 2022 by Honest Saints Fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You do realise he's talking about targeted testing for the care sector? That was your point, not his. Regardless, the point stands. Prevention is not cheaper than the cure and I would challenge anyone that states this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Michael W said: Depending on where he wants to go, unvaccinated kids might be problematic. If the child will be 12 before travelling, some countries will demand quarantine on arrival. Wouldn't be surprised to see most of this gubbins flung on the bonfire around Easter time, tbh. That's Switzerland already joining Norway in announcing quarantine and test-free travel even for the unvaxxed, with no pointless contact tracing forms either. The first Med country to do this will lead to the rest following suit quicker than a tramp on chips. Sky News were also saying the UK passenger locator form could be in the bin following Johnson's speech on Monday. Obviously we'll probably get our own new Scottish version from Queen Nicola, but still. Edited February 16, 2022 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Decided to email my MSP (something I never thought I would do) calling for the Scottish Government to get rid of face masks and vaccine passports as there is absolutely no need for them anymore and hasn't been for a long time. I would encourage anyone else unhappy to do the same. Absolutely fed up of it all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Nah, I think what we really need is more tests for when there's nothing wrong with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Fairly sure they were full on psychos at one point an aw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Jamaldo said: Decided to email my MSP (something I never thought I would do) calling for the Scottish Government to get rid of face masks and vaccine passports as there is absolutely no need for them anymore and hasn't been for a long time. I would encourage anyone else unhappy to do the same. Absolutely fed up of it all. If it's an SNP MSP you'll get a stock response. Same as I got form my MP and MSP when I wrote to them. Made me feel better that I actually complained but still think I was wasting my time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Michael W said: Depending on where he wants to go, unvaccinated kids might be problematic. If the child will be 12 before travelling, some countries will demand quarantine on arrival. Why are the government suggesting vaccinating all school age kids? I’m assuming it isn’t just so they can go on holiday. As someone with kids who have all had it and have all had very mild symptoms, I’m wondering why they need vaccinated. Being vaccinated hasn’t prevented any adults I know catching Covid. Edited February 17, 2022 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Empty It said: Vaccinating children is purely profiteering at this point. Yep. The JCVI and the 4 governments will make a tidy sum by firing vaccines into kids right enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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