Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Do you not always get points with a speeding fine?

Touche i hadnt checked what kind of ticket it was! I thought with doing away of the paper licence that you could pay them all online and licence would be updated automatically.

[pandarilla]

The english clubs might well be doing what Celtic have announced I.e. furlough non playing staff, claim the 80% but make up the remaining 20% themselves.

Did celtic get away with this without much coverage? Seriously?

Fucking hell.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Touche i hadnt checked what kind of ticket it was! I thought with doing away of the paper licence that you could pay them all online and licence would be updated automatically.

Should be.

[Detournement]

7 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Correct the halfwits that believe everything on social media and want tested for that Corona hing.

My practice was overran by morons who were asymptomatic demanding a test for it.

Incidentally despite being in the good old Covid assessment centre we're still not testing  for it.

Special mention to the smelly c**t who came to the practice today on his bike screaming to be tested for it as he has that CPOD.

Not a bad effort to be able to cycle, shout and rant like a fanny despite being breathless.  Bolt ya steamer and its COPD ya flange.

Another wee  mention to the fannies walking around Tesco looking like they've just went into a  nuclear reactor in Chernobyl.  Interesting attire.  I saw one local cretin claim on social media that she was visibly shaking coming out the shop as there was people near her.  Just f**k off.

Anyway I'm away for my tea.  

 

 

I think that people who are stuck at home seem to be losing it more. There is a definite divide in my mates between those who are staying home versus those still working.

It's also worth remembering that a decent proportion of the population have mental health issues whether it's the type you can see from 20 yards away or more low key. That's just part of society now.

Regardless any reasonable assessment of risk is out the collective window.

 

[vikingTON]

Speaking of clown-car governments, it's worth looking at how the myth of plucky, Blitz Britain actually stands up to comparison with other countries right now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's truly something for the UK to have had only around 40% of the confirmed cases in Germany (because they can't be bothered testing anybody) while still having nearly three times as many total fatalities. Meanwhile the 'let's keep the schools open for a laugh' and other shan measures are certainly paying dividends in Scotland - 2310 infected and 76 dead - while the equivalent figures for Slovakia - a country with the same number of people, that closed down schools and public places immediately - are just 400 and 1 (yes, one) respectively.

No matter how many pointy-headed boffins and bullshit 5pm statements the government wants to make, the facts show that they are not doing a very good job of handling this. 'At least we're not Italy' is about all they've got right now. 

[ayrmad]

2 minutes ago, virginton said:

Speaking of clown-car governments, it's worth looking at how the myth of plucky, Blitz Britain actually stands up to comparison with other countries right now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's truly something for the UK to have had only around 40% of the confirmed cases in Germany (because they can't be bothered testing anybody) while still having nearly three times as many total fatalities. Meanwhile the 'let's keep the schools open for a laugh' and other shan measures are certainly paying dividends in Scotland - 2310 infected and 76 dead - while the equivalent figures for Slovakia - a country with the same number of people, that closed down schools and public places immediately - are just 400 and 1 (yes, one) respectively.

No matter how many pointy-headed boffins and bullshit 5pm statements the government wants to make, the facts show that they are not doing a very good job of handling this. 'At least we're not Italy' is about all they've got right now. 

We are Italy as far as deaths are concerned. 

[Granny Danger]

A longish read but interesting.  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-29/coronavirus-pandemic-puts-moral-philosophy-to-the-test

Includes:

Is there a case for letting COVID-19 take it’s toll if the economic impact will have a worse effect on the populous?

Should older people be willing to let themselves be sacrificed for the wider good?

 

This moral philosophy looks pretty heavy stuff, I thing I’ll stick to making forecasts!

Edited April 1, 2020 by Granny Danger

[Jeremiah Cole]

April 1, 2020

On the situation in Italy

Italian doctors reported that they had already observed severe cases of pneumonia in northern Italy at the end of last year. However, genetic analyses now show that the Covid19 virus only appeared in Italy in January of this year. „The severe pneumonia diagnosed in Italy in November and December must therefore be due to a different pathogen,“ a virologist noted. This once again raises the question what role the Covid19 virus, or other factors, actually play in the Italian situation.

On March 30, we mentioned the list of Italian doctors who died „during the Corona crisis“, many of whom were up to 90 years old and didn’t actively participate in the crisis at all. Today, all years of birth on the list have been removed (see however the last archive version). A strange procedure.

We have also received the following message from an observer in Italy, who gives further details about the dramatic situation there, which is obviously due to far more than a virus:

„In recent weeks, most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by the „emergency governments“. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.

Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and the elderly, especially in those areas where even harder „measures“ were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.

The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media, who reported, for example, „another 475 fatalities“, „The dead are being removed from hospitals by the army“, accompanied by pictures of coffins and army trucks lined up.

However, this was the result of the funeral directors‘ fear of the „killer virus“, who therefore refused their services. Moreover, on the one hand there were too many deaths at once and on the other hand the government passed a law that the corpses carrying the coronavirus had to be cremated. In Catholic Italy, few cremations had been carried out in the past. Therefore there were only a few small crematoria, which very quickly reached their limits. Therefore the deceased had to be laid out in different churches.

In principle, this development is the same in all countries. However, the quality of the health system has a considerable influence on the effects. Therefore, there are fewer problems in Germany, Austria or Switzerland than in Italy, Spain or the USA. However, as can be seen in the official figures, there is no significant increase in the mortality rate. Just a small mountain that came from this tragedy.“

[woolf]

1 hour ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

BBC now asking the questions I’ve been asking for days 

Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

Probably been lost amongst the myriad of Pish you’ve been spouting.

And,yes I do stand up comedy

[Jeremiah Cole]

Dr. John Lee, professor emeritus of pathology, is writing about the highly misleading definition and communication of „corona deaths“ in the British Spectator.

The latest data from Norway, evaluated by a PhD in environmental toxicology, again show that the rate of test-positives does not increase – as would be expected in the case of an epidemic – but fluctuates in the normal range for coronaviruses between 2 and 10%. The average age of the test-positive deceased is 84 years, the causes of death are not publicly reported, and there is no excess mortality.

Sweden, which has so far managed without radical measures and has not reported increased mortality (similar to Asian countries such as Japan or South Korea), is remarkably put under pressurefrom the international media to change its strategy.

Data from New York State show that the hospitalization rate of test-positive individuals could be more than twenty times lower than originally assumed.

[superbigal]

Correct the halfwits that believe everything on social media and want tested for that Corona hing.
My practice was overran by morons who were asymptomatic demanding a test for it.
Incidentally despite being in the good old Covid assessment centre we're still not testing  for it.
Special mention to the smelly c**t who came to the practice today on his bike screaming to be tested for it as he has that CPOD.
Not a bad effort to be able to cycle, shout and rant like a fanny despite being breathless.  Bolt ya steamer and its COPD ya flange.
Another wee  mention to the fannies walking around Tesco looking like they've just went into a  nuclear reactor in Chernobyl.  Interesting attire.  I saw one local cretin claim on social media that she was visibly shaking coming out the shop as there was people near her.  Just f**k off.
Anyway I'm away for my tea.  
 
 

So just checked latest uk bigalsstats
Or at least what they should be

Tested 152,979
Positive 29,474
Deaths 2,352
Negative 43
Halfwits you do the maths

[Florentine_Pogen]

@Div was clearly ahead of the curve when it comes to Social Distancing then.

Covid is an anagram of DivCo......but we all knew it was a Paisley plot for world domination, didn’t we ?

[Jeremiah Cole]

12 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

We are Italy as far as deaths are concerned. 

Italian authorities estimate that around 12% of deaths were specifically caused by the coronavirus, ie around 1,500.

A bad flu season can cause over 50,000 excess deaths in Italy. 
 

The collapse of their healthcare system caused by the panic has caused far more deaths. 

[Billy Jean King]

Was on the news tonight as a positive spin story. I don't see an issue with them claiming the 80%, the regs allow them to do so, as long as they make up the difference. This scheme was always going to attract "opportunists"

Did celtic get away with this without much coverage? Seriously?

Fucking hell.

[ayrmad]

3 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

Italian authorities estimate that around 12% of deaths were specifically caused by the coronavirus, ie around 1,500.

A bad flu season can cause over 50,000 excess deaths in Italy. 
 

The collapse of their healthcare system caused by the panic has caused far more deaths. 

Ours hasn't collapsed and we're tracking them well. 

[welshbairn]

15 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

April 1, 2020

On the situation in Italy

Italian doctors reported that they had already observed severe cases of pneumonia in northern Italy at the end of last year. However, genetic analyses now show that the Covid19 virus only appeared in Italy in January of this year. „The severe pneumonia diagnosed in Italy in November and December must therefore be due to a different pathogen,“ a virologist noted. This once again raises the question what role the Covid19 virus, or other factors, actually play in the Italian situation.

On March 30, we mentioned the list of Italian doctors who died „during the Corona crisis“, many of whom were up to 90 years old and didn’t actively participate in the crisis at all. Today, all years of birth on the list have been removed (see however the last archive version). A strange procedure.

We have also received the following message from an observer in Italy, who gives further details about the dramatic situation there, which is obviously due to far more than a virus:

„In recent weeks, most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by the „emergency governments“. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.

Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and the elderly, especially in those areas where even harder „measures“ were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.

The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media, who reported, for example, „another 475 fatalities“, „The dead are being removed from hospitals by the army“, accompanied by pictures of coffins and army trucks lined up.

However, this was the result of the funeral directors‘ fear of the „killer virus“, who therefore refused their services. Moreover, on the one hand there were too many deaths at once and on the other hand the government passed a law that the corpses carrying the coronavirus had to be cremated. In Catholic Italy, few cremations had been carried out in the past. Therefore there were only a few small crematoria, which very quickly reached their limits. Therefore the deceased had to be laid out in different churches.

In principle, this development is the same in all countries. However, the quality of the health system has a considerable influence on the effects. Therefore, there are fewer problems in Germany, Austria or Switzerland than in Italy, Spain or the USA. However, as can be seen in the official figures, there is no significant increase in the mortality rate. Just a small mountain that came from this tragedy.“

From this site Swiss Propaganda Research, often used by your antivaxxer site you usually copy and paste from. You have to scroll down the page link to find it.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Isn’t the surge of cases at flu season the reason they started making the flu shot more available?

I wonder what it would be like if no one got the normal flu shot. Maybe the same?

[Jeremiah Cole]

6 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

Ours hasn't collapsed and we're tracking them well. 

Hospital situation in the US, Germany and Switzerland

The US television station CBS was caughtusing footage from an Italian intensive care unit in a piece on the current situation in New York. In fact, dozens of recordings by citizen journalists show that it is currently very quiet in the hospitals on the US East and West Coast. Even the „corpse refrigerator trucks“ prominently shown in the media are unused and empty.

Contrary to media reports, the register of German intensive care units also shows no increased occupancy. Citizen journalists visited completely abandoned Covid19 admission centres in Berlin clinics. An employee of a Munich clinic explained that they had been „waiting for weeks for the wave to hit“, but that there was „no increase in patient numbers“. He said that the politicians‘ statements did not correspond with their own experience, and that the „myth of the killer virus“ could „not be confirmed“.

Also in Swiss clinics, no increased occupancy has been observed so far. A visitor to the cantonal hospital in Lucerne reports that there is „less activity than in normal times“. Entire floors have been closed for Covid19, but staff „are still waiting for patients“. The hospitals in Bern, Basel, Zug and Zurich have also been „cleaned out“. Even in Ticino, the intensive care units are not working to capacity, but patients are now being transferred to the empty German-Swiss departments. From a purely medical point of view, this makes little sense.

 

[woolf]

41 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Did celtic get away with this without much coverage? Seriously?

Fucking hell.

Yep,meanwhile Hearts get hit with the big stick for asking players take -50% and non essential staff get payed as normal go figure!

[woolf]

1 hour ago, superbigal said:

It should be difficult to get a test now. To get past 111 and end up at a hospital should be fairly difficult.

Yet positive test results are not running at 70% or what they should be.

You should have to be on your knees to get a test surely to f**k.

 

 

Change “should” to shouldn’t and I completely agree!