D.A.F.C Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I dont think it's fair but this and the Salmond issue will effect the snp in the polls.Other parties will use it as a stick to beat them with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: I dont think it's fair but this and the Salmond issue will effect the snp in the polls. Other parties will use it as a stick to beat them with. Never any love shared between political rivals, but fortunately this political guru does not think it will affect them to any significant extent. https://www.thenational.scot/news/18217629.john-curtice-mackay-quitting-wont-hurt-snps-electoral-fortunes/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Will be ancient history by 2021 unless some more MSPs are beasts NAP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, sparky88 said: 'Derek Mackay texting a 16 year old is OK because I think Boris Johnson might be a beast' barely qualifies whataboutery anyway. Whataboutery is always prevalent in these situations. What I'm about to say isn't whataboutery I hope. There are a lot of folk - opposition politicians included - fretting about the wellbeing of the boy. Yet he or his family opted to go to The Sun for support whilst the police have yet to receive a complaint. If my child was being bombarded by texts from a 42 year old, I think my judgement would be different. Mackay is OFTW based on this stuff but there's another angle to this that's not adding up for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: I dont think it's fair but this and the Salmond issue will effect the snp in the polls. Other parties will use it as a stick to beat them with. Mackay or his behaviour will not affect SNP support. The Salmond "issue" could have a massive impact and the timing of the trial could not be worse. However, the bonus is that the other parties lack effective leadership and will struggle to run effective campaigns this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1867 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: The Salmond "issue" could have a massive impact and the timing of the trial could not be worse. It could have been if the general election had been held off until the spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 It depends if the Salmond case takes down Sturgeon. It's rumoured she has been deleting emails which may come back to haunt her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's rumoured she has been deleting emails which may come back to haunt her. By whom? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/2005444/resources-blamed-as-watchdog-refuses-further-complaints-against-city-councillor-sex-offender/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Another scumbag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: It depends if the Salmond case takes down Sturgeon. It's rumoured she has been deleting emails which may come back to haunt her. H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: H_B I heard Ukraine are hiding her personal email server. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I'm a bit confused about how this conspiracy theory is going. Are they suggesting she obstructed the investigation or is part of a stitch up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I'm a bit confused about how this conspiracy theory is going. Are they suggesting she obstructed the investigation or is part of a stitch up?Whatever they make up... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The problem with all the (frankly a wee bit too horny) salivating that this or that scandal is going to KILL INDEPENDENCE is that I, and I assume many many others, couldn't give two cold fucks if every single member of the SNP beefs a cat before breakfast. They're a conduit to independence, not the keyholder. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Detournement said: It depends if the Salmond case takes down Sturgeon. It's rumoured she has been deleting emails which may come back to haunt her. 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: By whom? Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 hours ago, JamieThomas said: The problem with all the (frankly a wee bit too horny) salivating that this or that scandal is going to KILL INDEPENDENCE is that I, and I assume many many others, couldn't give two cold fucks if every single member of the SNP beefs a cat before breakfast. They're a conduit to independence, not the keyholder. Before breakfast? That’s obscene. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 hours ago, JamieThomas said: The problem with all the (frankly a wee bit too horny) salivating that this or that scandal is going to KILL INDEPENDENCE is that I, and I assume many many others, couldn't give two cold fucks if every single member of the SNP beefs a cat before breakfast. They're a conduit to independence, not the keyholder. This is just between us, Tiddles. Right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Can't believe folks are trying to defend creepy MackayThey aren't. They are attacking those who are attempting to politicise it. What also disturbs me about the whole affair isn't just his creepy behaviour but how the boy's parents have handled it. They look more interested in making a fast buck than the welfare of their son. Why go running to the Sun instead of reporting the matter to the police? There clearly may be a case for them to investigate in terms of grooming or even stalking. I know if it was my son that phoning the police not a Sun reporter would be my first response. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I think the not going to Police may have something to do with, as has been pointed out on more than one occasion, nothing illegal having happened. To add a considerable splash of tinfoilhattery, he is (was) one of the top Politicians in the country. Going nuclear public had Mackay’s career dealt with by summary public execution in under 24hrs. Can anyone hypothesise how a formal complaint to the Police might have turned out or how long it would have taken? Making a choice between the two routes to justice I’m not so sure the family can be tarred because they went public. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I think the not going to Police may have something to do with, as has been pointed out on more than one occasion, nothing illegal having happened. To add a considerable splash of tinfoilhattery, he is (was) one of the top Politicians in the country. Going nuclear public had Mackay’s career dealt with by summary public execution in under 24hrs. Can anyone hypothesise how a formal complaint to the Police might have turned out or how long it would have taken? Making a choice between the two routes to justice I’m not so sure the family can be tarred because they went public. I still think they could have done both. I'm not a legal expert but that level of texting and the fact the boy told him he wasn't interested looks like stalking. Mackay wouldn't come under sections 42-45 of the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 ('the 2009 Act') that cover where an adult who engages in sexual activity with a child under the age of 18 in respect of whom they are in a 'position of trust' also commits an offence - the definition of 'position of trust' is very narrow - usually those like teachers or social workers with a direct link to the under-18. They could have gone to the police then gone to the papers - it wouldn't have mattered if the police found a case to answer or not - I'm sure the papers would be interested either way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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